D&D General The Problem with Evil or what if we don't use alignments?

[Paul Farquhar]

No, but we should butcher them without mercy. Like Rico and the Mobile Infantry.

I bet so many people here dont really 'get' what Paul Verhoeven was showing us with Starship Troopers.

I always felt that - the satire was far to subtle for it to be meaningful.

 

[Zardnaar]

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I always felt that - the satire was far to subtle for it to be meaningful.

I took it as mocking fascism/authoritarianism maybe military industrial complex.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I took it as mocking fascism/authoritarianism maybe military industrial complex.

It is. But for those with fascist/authoritarian leanings it reads as a heroic adventure.

 

[Imaculata]

In my current campaign, I have a religious order dedicated to a good goddess (or at least commonly regarded as good). But the order itself and its methods are corrupt. They are trying to do what they believe is the right thing, and their religious leader believes he is entirely in the right. But in trying to achieve their goals, they commit acts that are wrong in the eyes of the players. I don't use strict alignments here, just motivations.

 

[Flamestrike]

It is. But for those with fascist/authoritarian leanings it reads as a heroic adventure.

Thats what makes it brilliant.

You have to be pretty stupid or immature to read that movie as a Heroic war of the good guys vs the Aliens, and cheer on the Fascist protagonists.

The director is Dutch and remembers Nazi occupation. When he read the book (which is a Fascist bible) he made the movie you saw. He even mirrored shots of Nazi propaganda films in his directing.

It shows how the stupid and unenlightened can so easily fall into fascist propaganda and viewing themselves as the good guys, when they really are not.

 

[Zardnaar]

It is. But for those with fascist/authoritarian leanings it reads as a heroic adventure.

Ah I think Warhammer has that problem.

Falling Down movie apparently is popular bwiththose types. Aged 15 I just took it as a guy had a bad day and snapped.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Thats what makes it brilliant.

You have to be pretty stupid or immature to read that movie as a Heroic war of the good guys vs the Aliens, and cheer on the Fascist protagonists.

The director is Dutch and remembers Nazi occupation. When he read the book (which is a Fascist bible) he made the movie you saw. He even mirrored shots of Nazi propaganda films in his directing.

It shows how the stupid and unenlightened can so easily fall into fascist propaganda and viewing themselves as the good guys, when they really are not.

It doesn't really achieve anything. Those people who read the movie correctly already know fascist=bad. It just enables them to feel smugly superior to those who are not sufficiently well educated to pick up the message. If anything is increases division.

 

[Flamestrike]

Ah I think Warhammer has that problem.

No, even pimple faced teenage boys recognize the grimdark LE nature of the Imperium of Man.

 

[Zardnaar]

No, even pimple faced teenage boys recognize the grimdark LE nature of the Imperium of Man.

I play a game Stellaris. Lots of online edgelords create the Imperium of Man or a Chapterhouse in MP games.

 

[Flamestrike]

It doesn't really achieve anything. Those people who read the movie correctly already know fascist=bad. It just enables them to feel smugly superior to those who are not sufficiently well educated to pick up the message. If anything is increases division.

No because there are viewers that watched it, didnt realize, and now they do.

It makes those guys re-assess their own prejudices and values, and see just how easy it is to go down that rabbit hole.

Blade runner does a similar thing. You watch it as a young boy and don't question Deckard murdering and raping Replicants.

You watch it again 10 years later, and it really strikes home and plays like a totally different movie.