D&D 5E Fizban's Treasury Dragons Ranked By Challenge Rating

WotC has been sending out previews of Fizban's Treasury of Dragons, due out next month, to folks on Twitter. Amongst those are art pieces and other items.

By Challenge Rating the dragons in the book are:

• Ancient crystal (19)
• Ancient topaz (20)
• Ancient emerald (21)
• Ancient moonstone (21)
• Ancient sapphire (22)
• Elder brain dragon (22)
• Ancient amethyst (23)
• Ancient dragon turtle (24)
• Gem greatwyrm (26)
• Chromatic greatwyrm (27)
• Metallic greatwyrm (28)
• Apects of Bahamut and Tiamat (30)

Interestingly, it appears that the great wyrm category is divided into three -- gem, chromatic, metallic -- rather than by each dragon type.

There's also an alphabetical list of all 20 dragon types in the book:

• Amethyst
• Black
• Blue
• Brass
• Bronze
• Copper
• Crystal
• Deep
• Dragon turtle
• Emerald
• Faerie
• Gold
• Green
• Moonstone
• Red
• Sapphire
• Shadow
• Silver
• Topaz
• White

 

[Henadic Theologian]

It occurs to me they could add Greater Faerie Dragon Template for a Shadow Dragon equivalent, like the more common MM Faerie Dragons big brother. Like how in past editions when they wanted a more powerful Doppelganger instead of retconning already existing Doppelgangers, they made the Greater Doppelganger it scarier more powerful sibling.

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

No they were Gods, they had the clerics to prove it.

Your not getting the joke

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

I have loved pretty much everything about the Great Wheel cosmology since I first sat down with the 1st edition Manual of the Planes and read it cover to cover. When they added to it with Planescape (added, not replaced) I fell in love with all over again. It felt and feels like the sort of thing centuries of loremasters and sages would come up with as a sort of "grand unified theory". The biggest problem I had with the 4th ed version was that everything about it was designed to be super playable on the tabletop, with little concern for the worlds that supposedly believed in it. It felt completely artificial to me, and thus I see it as gamey and poor worldbuilding. On the other hand, the Feywild/Shadowfell dichotomy is workable and capable of being added to the Wheel without replacing anything (as 5th ed demonstrated), so that's all right.

I loved it when I first learned about it as a child. It seemed more and more goofy as I grew up.

 

[Mind of tempest]

I loved it when I first learned about it as a child. It seemed more and more goofy as I grew up.

so what is the dnd universe to you then as far as an idea goes?

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

It occurs to me they could add Greater Faerie Dragon Template for a Shadow Dragon equivalent, like the more common MM Faerie Dragons big brother. Like how in past editions when they wanted a more powerful Doppelganger instead of retconning already existing Doppelgangers, they made the Greater Doppelganger it scarier more powerful sibling.

Pretty sure the moonstone dragon is the shadow equivalent.

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

so what is the dnd universe to you then as far as an idea goes?

The universe is the Prime, the multiverse is everything outside that. There is no idea that mortals can understand, so I don’t try!

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Pretty sure the moonstone dragon is the shadow equivalent.

Except the Moonstone Dragon isn't a Template.

 

[Micah Sweet]

the wheel feels too big and only changeable with belief also some of the planes feel a bit superfluous and being purely based on alignment is a losing battle these days.
perhaps something defined but large with lots of it being traverlable to but not all of it?
how does one get the organic

The Outer Planes portion of the Great Wheel is a fusion of afterlife beliefs from a hodge-podge of historical cultures, coupled with the fantasy cultures of D&D. Given a multiverse where all these cultures exist simultaneously, I can absolutely image sages and scholars who are magically aware of these beliefs coming up with a massive theory that brings them all in, big tent style. The rest of the planes follow from that.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Your not getting the joke

Your right I don't get it, I didn't even realize it was a joke. Your delivery needs work.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

The Outer Planes portion of the Great Wheel is a fusion of afterlife beliefs from a hodge-podge of historical cultures, coupled with the fantasy cultures of D&D. Given a multiverse where all these cultures exist simultaneously, I can absolutely image sages and scholars who are magically aware of these beliefs coming up with a massive theory that brings them all in, big tent style. The rest of the planes follow from that.

I think in 5e Greater Wheel there are rogue planes that are part of the Greater Wheel Cosmology, but not a part of the alignment configuration, like of the outer planes where a solar system, stuff like Aborea would be the Planets orbiting the sun, and beyond that are outer planes, usually created by Gods that are like rogue Planets floating around doing their own thing.