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[Mirtek]

And the Romans were absolutely horrible to the Germanic peoples, like vile.

And yet the brought us civilization, urbanization. We kept and cherished those even after kicking the romans themselves out.

I am regularily going to cities that were founded by the romans thousands of years ago and still going strong in modern germany. The legacy of the roman occupation are the pillars of our modern culture. Even our laws are still based on what the romans left us (in principle).

Not based on what those savage weirdos in their longhouses worshiping Wotan did.

Anyway, I'm actually genuinely IRL shocked to hear that. And sorry too, I'm with you on being disappointed in your countrymen.

You missunderstood. I am not disappointed. I am having a blast as those faires and hope that next year we'll again have more of those and not all are cancelled again due to covid

 

[Justice and Rule]

I'd like to point out that The Mighty Boosh seems to be available on Hulu in its entirety, so it's not like it's gone.

And yet the brought us civilization, urbanization. We kept and cherished those even after kicking the romans themselves out.

Civilization was in those places before, it was just supplanted by the Romans. This is one of those bad narratives that we should really avoid.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

As you can see from that Wiki page, the vast majority have little to do with racism/blackface/sexism etc., but more specific reasons like "a celebrity turned out to suck".

Or black human kisses white vulcan.

 

[Mirtek]

Civilization was in those places before, it was just supplanted by the Romans. This is one of those bad narratives that we should really avoid.

And it was inferior to that what the romans gave us. You can see how the development of the formerly occupied areas of germany was leaps and bounds ahead of the free german territories for centuries to come even after rome retreated and ultimately fell.

If you fell better then shed a tear for my ancestors, but most modern Germans won't. Being conquered by rome was a blessing in disguise for us, we know how to answer What did the romans ever do for us every time we go to Koblenz, Cologne, Mainz or open our current day law books

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Civilization was in those places before, it was just supplanted by the Romans. This is one of those bad narratives that we should really avoid.

Yeah I was coming back to say this. The idea that Romans invented civilization/urbanization is pretty funny.

The legal system point is particularly bad too, and illustrates a misunderstanding of history. Rome's legal system, such as it was, was not great, and not original. Everyone had some kind of legal system, including people labeled as "barbarians". Part of pro-Roman propaganda is that the Roman system was "fair" and "barbarian" ones were arbitrary and unjust, but that's absolutely not the case. There's zero evidence the Roman legal system was anything but every bit as arbitrary and unjust. I suggest anyone who thinks otherwise might read A Fatal Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum: Murder in Ancient Rome.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Being conquered by rome was a blessing in disguise for us, we know how to answer What did the romans ever do for us every time we go to Koblenz, Cologne, Mainz or open our current day law books

This is the exact kind of propaganda I'm talking about, and why Rome is consistently misrepresented. Especially your last point, which is just inaccurate and conflating about fourteen different things.

History is written by the victor, but archaeology lets you find out that it's often a pack of lies, and a lot of what people claim about Rome is exactly that. Further, that kind of "well the Romans conquering us was a blessing" is literally the exact logic used by several nations in their incredibly brutal conquests and cultural genocides (or even literal genocides) in the 16th-19th centuries.

 

[Mirtek]

Legal systems of the world. Blue is based on Roman law.

It certainly stuck around much better than anyone elses. Anglo-Saxon law certainly did made much of an impression outside of US/Commonwealth

 

[Justice and Rule]

And it was inferior to that what the romans gave us. You can see how the development of the formerly occupied areas of germany was leaps and bounds ahead of the free german territories for centuries to come even after rome retreated and ultimately fell.

I mean, a lot of that is subjective and largely because the Romans won, not because they necessarily had a better civilization.

If you fell better then shed a tear for my ancestors, but most modern Germans won't. Being conquered by rome was a blessing in disguise for us, we know how to answer What did the romans ever do for us every time we go to Koblenz, Cologne, Mainz or open our current day law books

What you're talking about has been modified so much by people even before the Romans came about that thanking the Romans for it misses not only those who the Romans took it from, but those who moved it forwards afterwards. This is just fetishization.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Legal systems of the world. Blue is based on Roman law.

It certainly stuck around much better than anyone elses

You're really not proving the point that you seem to think you're proving lol.

 

[Umbran]

Just a question that popped into my head. We do not sanitize religious texts which pretty much are supposed to imprint one's core-beliefs

Mod Note:
After Danny's warning, above, trying to wedge real-world religion into this thread, against board policy, was an astonishingly bad move on your part.

You are done in this discussion.