D&D General "Red Orc" American Indians and "Yellow Orc" Mongolians in D&D

[Maxperson]

And yet, Sanctify the Wicked.

Just read the spell and there is no torture or pain involved.

But this is the book that justified agonizing poisons with 'they're turning evil back on their source'.

Yeah, that's pretty hokey, but is easily ignored. And doesn't counter the fact that you are not allowed to torture an evil creature into being good, as that would be evil.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Just read the spell and there is no torture or pain involved.

Yeah, they just want to murder you if they escape the brainwashing early out of the badness of their hearts.

And what are ravages for then? Torturing evil for fun? Again, fits with BoED's mentality.

 

[Cadence]

Just read the spell and there is no torture or pain involved.

Yeah, that's pretty hokey, but is easily ignored. And doesn't counter the fact that you are not allowed to torture an evil creature into being good, as that would be evil.

I wonder if it could have a better name - "Time Out" "Go to Your Room and Think About What You've Done!" - and then just shift the E to N.

Matching the casters L, C, or N seems a bit odd for a spell designed to fix E.

 

[Vaalingrade]

I wonder if it could have a better name - "Time Out" "Go to Your Room and Think About What You've Done!" - and then just shift the E to N.

Matching the casters L, C, or N seems a bit odd for a spell designed to fix E.

Soul Neuter.

 

[Cadence]

Soul Neuter.

"Imprison. With time off for good behavior."?

Or were you not going to imprison/kill/exile them after appropriate legal trial when you caught them committing genocide or whatnot? Do you take them at their word that they've reformed? "So, you're done with all that Morgoth stuff now Sauron, right?"

 

[Vaalingrade]

"Imprison. With time off for good behavior."?

Or were you not going to imprison/kill/exile them after appropriate legal trial when you caught them committing genocide or whatnot? Do you take them at their word that they've reformed? "So, you're done with all that Morgoth stuff now Sauron, right?"

I wasn't going to destroy and rebuild their personality like a cult leader if that's what you're asking.

 

[Willie the Duck]

And yet, Sanctify the Wicked.

But this is the book that justified agonizing poisons with 'they're turning evil back on their source'.

Yes, the book is a flat out explosion of poorly thought out (or maybe even deliberately horrific) ideas about what goodness and evil are in the 3e D&D universe and the acceptable methods for a 'good' character to fight/vanquish/convert evil. If the question at hand is ever 'has D&D ever...'-based, well it certainly has.

 

[Maxperson]

Yeah, they just want to murder you if they escape the brainwashing early out of the badness of their hearts.

To be fair, they likely also wanted to murder you before you cast the spell.

And to be even more fair, that spell is very borderline for what it does. Forcing a change doesn't seem good to me, but the way it goes about it is not necessarily evil.

And what are ravages for then? Torturing evil for fun? Again, fits with BoED's mentality.

As I said, those are very hokey and easily ignored. The justification given brings to mind "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." That book has problems, but not as severe as you are making it out to be. It literally says the opposite of, "It's good to torture an evil creature into being good." like you claimed.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Literally everything in the game can be 'easily ignored'.

So let us stop all discussion forever.

 

[Cadence]

I wasn't going to destroy and rebuild their personality like a cult leader if that's what you're asking.

My previous post about only requiring a shift from N to E was trying to get at that a little.

So, you just keep them locked up for the rest of their lives until they figure out how not to be evil on their own? (Assuming the years of the sentences add up to that much?)