D&D 5E Toward a new D&D aesthetics

What is your feeling about the changes in aesthetics of D&D illustrations?

  • I really enjoy those changes. The illustrations resemble well my ideal setting!

  • I'm ok with those changes, even if my ideal setting has a different aesthetics.

  • I'm uncertain about those changes

  • I'm not ok with those changes because it impairs my immersion in the game.

  • I hate those changes, I do not recognize D&D anymore

  • The art doesn't really matter to me either way. I don't buy/play the game for the art.

  • Change in aesthetics? Where? What?


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BookTenTiger

He / Him
I'd agree, but I also believe a book like BoVD is about as likely as the sun going supernova in the next week, and that may cover part of the 'non offensive age neutral' discussion.

Heck, your picture with that (I believe female) being you posted that is topless but from the back? How much of that is printed these days? Again, non-offensive and age neutral would seem a fair statement.
I'd argue that the trend is towards inclusive art, not "non-offensive" art.

Here's the difference, as I see it:

"Non-offense" is motivated by fear of offending an audience.

"Inclusion," on the other hand, is motivated by community-mindedness. It's all about growing the community and including many different kinds of people.

The trend away from chainmail bikinis, for example, is a trend towards inclusion. The trend of more diverse humanoids, better representation of genders, and non-Eurocentric cultures is a trend towards inclusion.

Now inclusion does mean not alienating your audience. But I still think that's different than a fear of offense.
 

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Scribe

Legend
The trend away from chainmail bikinis, for example, is a trend towards inclusion. The trend of more diverse humanoids, better representation of genders, and non-Eurocentric cultures is a trend towards inclusion.

Now inclusion does mean not alienating your audience. But I still think that's different than a fear of offense.
I think there is some conflating there, that I disagree with, but I like Frazetta, a lot, so we may not be able to come to a consensus on this one. :D
 





EzekielRaiden

Follower of the Way
OK, you were all right. I was wrong.

But just curious. How many pictures would have been sufficient to demonstrate a trend?...
If you are sincere in this question...well, it's the sorites paradox. Everyone agrees a single grain of sand isn't a heap, and most will agree that adding a single grain of sand doesn't change whether something is or isn't a heap. Conclusion: heaps are guaranteed (even zero grains is a heap!) and impossible (even a nigh-infinite quantity of sand is not a heap).

But if you want some kind of actual answer--recognizing that by definition this is purely a matter of interpretation so no one is obligated to agree with my specific answer--then I would say you need at least three, preferably more, and they need to be relatively close to one another in time. E.g., if your three examples were one image from the 5e PHB, one image from exactly halfway between then and now, and one image from JTTRC, I would be pretty skeptical still. But if it were, say, looking at all the covers for 5e hardbacks in chronological order, that would at least make it significantly harder to debate on the basis of "too little evidence," and would thus tend to bring in debates about whether the proffered examples actually demonstrate the claimed pattern (IOW, the numbers argument would cease and a much more subjective "is this what Beancounter claims it is?" argument would likely come up).

A significant part of the problem, though, is that the claim is difficult to demonstrate solely through positive evidence, because it is a mixed positive and negative claim. It's not just, "This is a new style," it is "this is a new style, and the old(er) style(s) is/(are) being disproportionately displaced by it." First half is positive (it claims a new style has appeared), second half is negative (it claims the old style is disappearing). A claim of that nature, as established by evidence rather than feeling, would basically require you to conduct a survey across the past several years (at least) to demonstrate that there was a consistent style, and that it's being consistently replaced with some other, different style now. Also, note the "disproportionate" thing--you could be right that this new style is taking up some of the room, but that could simply be that it is a new style now represented among the variety of old styles, only "reducing" them because there is a finite amount of art that can be put onto books.
 

Scribe

Legend
You say that as if not printing trashy edgelord shovelware isn't three good reasons all on its own. Or that there's sinister ulterior motives behind the choice.
No, the motive is clear. Be non-offensive, and age neutral. Thats the whole point of the tangent.

I like Franzetta to! He's an equal opportunity chainmail bikini / loincloth artist, everyone is 90% naked in his work!
Exactly! I'm not likely to ever look like Conan (or Arnold in his peak Mr. Olympia days) but its Fantasy so let it roll. ;)
 



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