D&D 5E D&D and who it's aimed at

[dave2008]

That's a ymmv last books I bought was Witchlifht, Fizbans and another one. None were overly interesting.

Are you changing the subject or does this have something to do with disneyification?

 

[Scribe]

To be fair, they did restore alignment.

And the book in which they did? I purchased.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

simpler, older, editions

I don't recall 1st edition being simpler than 5e.

 

[Maxperson]

And I don't think you can objectively say it has been.

I can. There is no doubt that the game has become easier with regard to surviving the violence of the game. The violence has been reduced by an incredible degree over 3e, then 4e and finally 5e. There is no doubt whatsoever that controversial issues like orcs and other things have been altered and reduced. These are objective facts. The Disneyfication(if that's the term you want to use for it) of D&D is a fact. Whether that's a good thing, a bad thing, or somewhere in-between is where the subjectivity comes in.

 

[Maxperson]

But those changes aren’t there to appeal to children, but rather to make sure women and people of color are comfortable playing the game.

I went to a convention in February here in Los Angeles and decided to take a look at the D&D tournaments. There were about a dozen tables going. Each table had 6 or 7 people. One table had no women. One table was entirely women. 10 tables had at least one woman. All tables had people of color. It was pretty cool.

 

[Maxperson]

* And until I looked, I had no idea that 'Disneyfied' is an actual word in the Oxford dictionary. To 'cause (something) to become reminiscent of a film or theme park created by the Walt Disney Company, especially in being sanitized or romanticized.'

And I was now old when I learned it. Had no idea.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Witchlight might be so dark that you can't read the text on the pages, but I'm not going to pick up the book initially if it's got displacer beast kittens on the cover and trying to look adorable.

So... you are quite literally judging a book by it's cover?

 

[Retreater]

So... you are quite literally judging a book by it's cover?

Yep. That and the promotional art of Frog-Nard the neck beard fairy. And the Wizards marketing blurb "you don't have to fight anything." All that competing against me not liking fey to start with.

 

[Irlo]

I can. There is no doubt that the game has become easier with regard to surviving the violence of the game. The violence has been reduced by an incredible degree over 3e, then 4e and finally 5e. There is no doubt whatsoever that controversial issues like orcs and other things have been altered and reduced. These are objective facts. The Disneyfication(if that's the term you want to use for it) of D&D is a fact. Whether that's a good thing, a bad thing, or somewhere in-between is where the subjectivity comes in.

Well, Disney hasn't yet updated Splash Mountain to remove offensive racial caricatures, although they're reportedly working on it. And they didn't install safety lap bars on the ride to increase survivabilty until more than 10 years after 3e was released. Maybe Disney is being D&Dified?

 

[Minigiant]

I don't recall 1st edition being simpler than 5e.

Base 1e and Base 5e are not that far off and easy to convert forward.

Especially compared to 3e and 4e.