Dragonlance WotC Officially Confirms Takhisis and Tiamat Are The Same

It's been an issue in dispute for decades, over various editions of D&D, but WotC has officially confirmed that - at least in 5E - Dragonlance's Takhisis is, indeed, currently Tiamat. In previous editions, Tiamat has varied from being a big dragon to a minor goddess, while Takhisis has been a greater god on Krynn. At times they've been the same entity, and at others different entities. Today, WotC is putting its foot down and saying that Takhisis and Tiamat are, indeed, the same being.



Of course, this is not an opinion universally held. Dragonlance co-creator Margaret Weis emphatically stated that "TAKHISIS IS NOT TIAMAT, DAMN IT!"

Fizban's Treasuryof Dragons confirms that the beings echo across various settings.

D&D 5E - Is Paladine Bahamut? Is Takhisis Tiamat? Fizban's Treasury Might Reveal The Answer!

According to WotC's James Wyatt, Fizban's Treasury of Dragons introduces a new cosmology for dragon gods, where the same beings, including Fizban, echo across various D&D campaign settings with alternate versions of themselves (presumably like Paladine/Bahamut, or Takhisis/Tiamat). Also... the...

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[GMforPowergamers]

When the new kid with the IP keeps altering your creation more and more, it makes you bitter.

maybe maybe not. I know a lot of writers and even watched as one of my players got to write in the world of some of them... nobody minded that he took some liberties and for the most part they suggest reading him... and the series is written by multi authors.

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As a comic fan I see both people cheerlead new creatives and people complain...

 

[Maxperson]

The alternative is that IP remains static, unchanging and dead. You don't get the Star Wars EU, the Doctor Who 2005 revival, any Star Trek after TNG, or any X-Men that weren't the ones made by Stan Lee. You sure as hell don't get modern Superman or Batman or Wonder Woman!

Honestly, this might be the best argument for copyright ending shortly after the owners death. Darcy Stoker might not like what became of his family's creation, but we are far better off with the dozens of takes on Dracula than one faithful only to the novel.

That's a false dichotomy. The alternatives are not stay static or change what came before. You can keep what came before and build on it by advancing the timeline a bit and introducing new things. Hell, if they really wanted orcs they could have done 50 years post war a space orc armada descended upon Ansalon and Taladas. The ensuing war took 2 decades and while the orcs were ultimately defeated, they have secured several significant presences on Krynn.

Bam! Setting change and retaining what came before.

 

[Maxperson]

Because the old kid, TSR, never did that . . . .

I think it's a matter of degree. And probably some additional bitterness over the whole recent book fiasco.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

The alternative is that IP remains static, unchanging and dead. You don't get the Star Wars EU, the Doctor Who 2005 revival, any Star Trek after TNG, or any X-Men that weren't the ones made by Stan Lee. You sure as hell don't get modern Superman or Batman or Wonder Woman!

Honestly, this might be the best argument for copyright ending shortly after the owners death. Darcy Stoker might not like what became of his family's creation, but we are far better off with the dozens of takes on Dracula than one faithful only to the novel.

THe House of the Mouse makes sure copyright gets extended... but Sherlock Holms and Dracula are great examples of why things in public domain allow new amazing takes... having said that The first thing done with Winne the pooh was a horror movie so... I don't know.

If tomorrow Batman and Superman became public domain you would see a dozen movies greenlit... some terrible some okay but I bet several great ones.

 

[Micah Sweet]

The alternative is that IP remains static, unchanging and dead. You don't get the Star Wars EU, the Doctor Who 2005 revival, any Star Trek after TNG, or any X-Men that weren't the ones made by Stan Lee. You sure as hell don't get modern Superman or Batman or Wonder Woman!

Honestly, this might be the best argument for copyright ending shortly after the owners death. Darcy Stoker might not like what became of his family's creation, but we are far better off with the dozens of takes on Dracula than one faithful only to the novel.

Most of those added to the story without changing the past. I don't get why adding material and changing existing material are conflated by fans of new stuff over old stuff.

 

[Scribe]

If tomorrow Batman and Superman became public domain you would see a dozen movies greenlit... some terrible some okay but I bet several great ones.

So dilution of quality, for dubious results, but at least someone is making a buck?

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Most of those added to the story without changing the past. I don't get why adding material and changing existing material are conflated by fans of new stuff over old stuff.

the examples he gave retconed huge bits of lore. As much as additive is cool sooner or later it is better to start over.

I doubt many Realms fans really wanted the time jump and the spell plague. I remember when I first started playing some players complained about the time of troubles. I don't hear MUCH belly acheing about the new stuff for 5e, but I still wonder if they let the novels carry on and jest went back to that grey box set if it would not have been better.

 

[Dire Bare]

Very little of what the old kid did removed material or changed it in a way that was irreconcilable with previous material. They  added a ton of stuff though.

Most of those added to the story without changing the past. I don't get why adding material and changing existing material are conflated by fans of new stuff over old stuff.

Since you have the book . . .

What are the major changes to Dragonlance in this new product that make it "irreconcilable" with older versions?

And . . . . the "Age of Mortals" within DL canon was OK (major reboot to the setting)? But WotC changing "Wizards of High Sorcery" to "Mages of High Sorcery" is not OK? Sorry . . . that's the only change I could bring to mind, there's got to be some other minor changes in the book to get all worked up over.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

So dilution of quality, for dubious results, but at least someone is making a buck?

I mean the IP holder keeping it is no way to assure quality. It just has a bottleneck where only some ideas get made. I gurantee you there are plenty of ideas to revitalize any old IP that will never even be heard by the big IP holder...

and that is before my #1 rule of continuity and quality hindsight is 20/20. One of the reasons I like the MCU version of several stories over the comic version is because they can listen to the complaints and adjust.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Since you have the book . . .

What are the major changes to Dragonlance in this new product that make it "irreconcilable" with older versions?

And . . . . the "Age of Mortals" within DL canon was OK (major reboot to the setting)? But WotC changing "Wizards of High Sorcery" to "Mages of High Sorcery" is not OK? Sorry . . . that's the only change I could bring to mind, there's got to be some other minor changes in the book to get all worked up over.

Wait @Micah Sweet was this a joke or do you have it too... if so I have SOOOO many questions.