Dragonlance WotC Officially Confirms Takhisis and Tiamat Are The Same

It's been an issue in dispute for decades, over various editions of D&D, but WotC has officially confirmed that - at least in 5E - Dragonlance's Takhisis is, indeed, currently Tiamat. In previous editions, Tiamat has varied from being a big dragon to a minor goddess, while Takhisis has been a greater god on Krynn. At times they've been the same entity, and at others different entities. Today, WotC is putting its foot down and saying that Takhisis and Tiamat are, indeed, the same being.



Of course, this is not an opinion universally held. Dragonlance co-creator Margaret Weis emphatically stated that "TAKHISIS IS NOT TIAMAT, DAMN IT!"

Fizban's Treasuryof Dragons confirms that the beings echo across various settings.

D&D 5E - Is Paladine Bahamut? Is Takhisis Tiamat? Fizban's Treasury Might Reveal The Answer!

According to WotC's James Wyatt, Fizban's Treasury of Dragons introduces a new cosmology for dragon gods, where the same beings, including Fizban, echo across various D&D campaign settings with alternate versions of themselves (presumably like Paladine/Bahamut, or Takhisis/Tiamat). Also... the...

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[Micah Sweet]

Wait @Micah Sweet was this a joke or do you have it too... if so I have SOOOO many questions.

Where did I say I have the book? I'm expressing general concerns here.

 

[Scribe]

If we did away with copyright, or weakened it, allowing others to create using well known characters like Batman and Superman . . . 90% of everything would still be crap.

Probably true! I'll take a singular vision though over the mess of conflicting reboots. Every time.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Oh yea. Sure. TSR would have never done anything like Krynnspace.

They certainly wouldn’t jam a Spelljammer port into Palanthas.

No where in DL does it say it doesn't exist, which makes it additive.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Everything added recontextualizes the old.

For example, adding a new Doctor to the list of incarnations is additive; it didn't change what happened with any of the previous incarnations we know about. Adding him between the 8th and 9th Doctors as the War Doctor who fought in the Time War and didn't even call himself The Doctor recontextualizes who the Doctor is. It's not a retcon, but it changes the whole order of the regenerations.

Furthermore, going forward isn't a guarantee either. The Star Wars sequels advance the story and characters, and it's widely hated compared to Andor, Kenobi, and Mandelorian, which all happen between the other films. The events of each recontextualize what happens in the films.

Recontextualizing is fine, sometimes even great. Quality is subjective.

 

[Micah Sweet]

DC Comics. Crisis of Infinite Earths.

Not one of the franchises in the conversation I was responding to. DC definitely replaced history, and in general I am against it. Of course, I also care a lot less about DC than the other franchises mentioned.

 

[darjr]

Oh and that time TSR didn’t put a whole fey realm in Dragonlance and didn’t retcon pixies that dwealt in Krynns forests.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Oh and that time TSR didn’t put a whole fey realm in Dragonlance and didn’t retcon pixies that dwealt in Krynns forests.

Ok. Did either of those things change the history of the setting? Did it change anything retroactively?

 

[darjr]

Ok. Did either of those things change the history of the setting? Did it change anything retroactively?

According to many at the time? Yea.

Same with the Spelljammer port in Paladine.

 

[Maxperson]

Furthermore, going forward isn't a guarantee either. The Star Wars sequels advance the story and characters, and it's widely hated compared to Andor, Kenobi, and Mandelorian, which all happen between the other films. The events of each recontextualize what happens in the films.

I didn't say adding things to the future of the setting would be high quality stuff. I said it wouldn't change what came before. This is fact. The Star Wars sequels, their quality and subsequent hate are not relevant here except to show that what I said was true and the false dichotomy I called out was legitimate. There are other options than the two I was presented with.

High or low quality can occur whether you completely retcon, insert things into the past, or add to the future. The first two will almost always cause more angst with those who are fans of the setting.

 

[darjr]

Good old Cam!

It’s 2022 and a new Dragonlance is coming out which means it’s time for people who think D&D art was only ever good in 1984 to loudly proclaim how the modern artists are cartoonists and not up to the standards of 40 years ago, good times