Dragonlance WotC Officially Confirms Takhisis and Tiamat Are The Same

It's been an issue in dispute for decades, over various editions of D&D, but WotC has officially confirmed that - at least in 5E - Dragonlance's Takhisis is, indeed, currently Tiamat. In previous editions, Tiamat has varied from being a big dragon to a minor goddess, while Takhisis has been a greater god on Krynn. At times they've been the same entity, and at others different entities. Today, WotC is putting its foot down and saying that Takhisis and Tiamat are, indeed, the same being.



Of course, this is not an opinion universally held. Dragonlance co-creator Margaret Weis emphatically stated that "TAKHISIS IS NOT TIAMAT, DAMN IT!"

Fizban's Treasuryof Dragons confirms that the beings echo across various settings.

D&D 5E - Is Paladine Bahamut? Is Takhisis Tiamat? Fizban's Treasury Might Reveal The Answer!

According to WotC's James Wyatt, Fizban's Treasury of Dragons introduces a new cosmology for dragon gods, where the same beings, including Fizban, echo across various D&D campaign settings with alternate versions of themselves (presumably like Paladine/Bahamut, or Takhisis/Tiamat). Also... the...

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[Micah Sweet]

According to many at the time? Yea.

Same with the Spelljammer port in Paladine.

I don't see how. It was never stated otherwise, therefore it is additive. Of course, you may not like the add, and are of course welcome not to use it in your home game.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

or example, adding a new Doctor to the list of incarnations is additive; it didn't change what happened with any of the previous incarnations we know about. Adding him between the 8th and 9th Doctors as the War Doctor who fought in the Time War and didn't even call himself The Doctor recontextualizes who the Doctor is. It's not a retcon, but it changes the whole order of the regenerations.

were i agree in theory i cant imagine war doctor as anything but retroactive continuity

 

[Micah Sweet]

Good old Cam!

Does someone have a problem with the art?

 

[Micah Sweet]

were i agree in theory i cant imagine war doctor as anything but retroactive continuity

But an  additive retcon.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Short of Star Wars Legends (which have been replaced, for better or worse), what in those other franchises changed the past such that past events didn't happen or happened differently in an irreconcilable way? Whether or not starting over is good is a separate issue to whether or not new material did or didn't replace earlier material.

superman man of steel mini (85-86) changed him to never being superboy and clark wasn't always anerd...oh and ma and pa werestill alive

 

[darjr]

I don't see how. It was never stated otherwise, therefore it is additive. Of course, you may not like the add, and are of course welcome not to use it in your home game.

I don’t either!

But they did. So much so the wiki marks it as “controversial”!

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Where did I say I have the book? I'm expressing general concerns here.

i misunderstood him insulting yourworries

 

[Micah Sweet]

superman man of steel mini (85-86) changed him to never being superboy and clark wasn't always anerd...oh and ma and pa werestill alive

Again, DC was not one of the franchises in the conversation I was responding to, and in that case I agree: definitely changing the past there.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

But an  additive retcon.

yes they added something that changed the eckleston doctor in context

 

[Micah Sweet]

I don’t either!

But they did. So much so the wiki marks it as “controversial”!

Well, that goes back to my, "lore changes are about feelings, not facts" argument.