D&D (2024) Do you think they will add more races to PHB2024 to make up for dropping other stuff?

[Cadence]

I've read a number of the 'fixes' that have been released post 5e, and I dont think theres a single one that actually does anything to make species interesting on par with Class.

Given the historic desire to multi-class, dual-class, sub-class, prestige class and other things to really change the classes or even ditch them as folks advance, it feels like making your choice of species at the star of the game be on par with class wouldn't be that popular? I'm also not sure what it means to become more skilled at being a halfling? And I am sure that having species gates feats would just leave to a bunch of ways to have different heritages so they weren't species gates ::::

That being said, was there anything, for example, in the PF 1e Advanced Race Guide that you thought approached what you want?

 

[RareBreed]

It kind of feels bad to me to have any of the combinations be possible - unless it's explicitly passed off as magic and not interbreeding. If it's described as them all able to interbreed, then it kind of feels to me like treating groups of people like breeds of dogs. Which can go to yeuchy places pretty darn quickly.

Well, as can be seen in my member name, I convert the pejorative and assimilate it with pride

My name is a double entendre. I took it to mean both my mixed ethnicity, as well as how different I feel my way of thinking is to most people. But I can definitely see how others (even, or especially, mixed ethnic folks) would consider breed as a pejorative. Oddly, the breed in rare breed usually does reference humans, and I don't believe most people find that expression offensive. Indeed, I think it's usually intended as a compliment.

Good breeding is an archaic term that used to mean how well one was raised for society and applied only to people. Breeding will tell is another old-fashioned term that morphed into time will tell. I believe that the term breeding in reference to people became offensive when society started mucking around with eugenics.

 

[Cadence]

Well, as can be seen in my member name, I convert the pejorative and assimilate it with pride

My name is a double entendre. I took it to mean both my mixed ethnicity, as well as how different I feel my way of thinking is to most people. But I can definitely see how others (even, or especially, mixed ethnic folks) would consider breed as a pejorative. Oddly, the breed in rare breed usually does reference humans, and I don't believe most people find that expression offensive. Indeed, I think it's usually intended as a compliment.

Good breeding is an archaic term that used to mean how well one was raised for society and applied only to people. Breeding will tell is another old-fashioned term that morphed into time will tell. I believe that the term breeding in reference to people became offensive when society started mucking around with eugenics.

I've never thought of the term "rare breed" as problematic when I've heard it.

Is "breeding will tell" and "good breeding" open to all social classes historically, or a thing easy for the rich but something like passing when it comes to the poor? If so, that feels like it would be problematic even without eugenics mucking up the word?

 

[MonsterEnvy]

Last I checked Dragonmarks in 5e were a variant option for species were you give up stuff like regular elf stuff to have the mark of Shadows.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Yeah, but no one's talking about what Level Up does in this thread, they're talking about what 5E24 is going to do. So Level Up is irrelevant.

I'm offering up a compatible alternative, as it seems several posters are less than pleased with WotC's solutions. No need to follow WotC's great design.

 

[Scribe]

Given the historic desire to multi-class, dual-class, sub-class, prestige class and other things to really change the classes or even ditch them as folks advance, it feels like making your choice of species at the star of the game be on par with class wouldn't be that popular? I'm also not sure what it means to become more skilled at being a halfling? And I am sure that having species gates feats would just leave to a bunch of ways to have different heritages so they weren't species gates ::::

That being said, was there anything, for example, in the PF 1e Advanced Race Guide that you thought approached what you want?

The way character creation is handled in PF2 is an interesting take within the "D&D" family.

A combination of actual abilities (Dragon breath, Luck, Misty Step variants), Species Feats, Paragon options, and actually playing with ASI as a differentiator (+2/+1 just isnt it), would go MILES towards making species choice more meaningful.

EDIT: I openly admit however to the suspicion that for the majority of the playerbase, its entirely possible that they dont WANT species to matter. Its very likely a me problem, and I may spend the next quarter just writing up a system for myself if Wizards doesnt demonstrate at least keeping what they had (Half Elf/Orc) without throwing things way.

 

[Remathilis]

Last I checked Dragonmarks in 5e were a variant option for species were you give up stuff like regular elf stuff to have the mark of Shadows.

Correct. However they have basically changed how species works in 5e (particular with the removal of subrace) so they will have to go back to the drawing board to make the old dragonmarks compatible with the new species rules. While they could treat them as variant races like it RftLW, they did that so you could have a dragonmark before 4th level, and now we have level 1 feats to do the same effect.

 

[RareBreed]

I've never thought of the term "rare breed" as problematic when I've heard it.

Is "breeding will tell" and "good breeding" open to all social classes historically, or a thing easy for the rich but something like passing when it comes to the poor? If so, that feels like it would be problematic even without eugenics mucking up the word?

I've only heard of good breeding in reference to upper society. There's even a quote from Pride and Predjudice

“He has always something to say to everybody. That is my idea of good breeding”

The breeding will tell phrase, from what I understand, was open to all socio-economic classes, and was supposed to reflect whether, over time, the bad traits in someone would eventually come out or not. That being said, good breeding and breeding will tell were related (if one had good breeding, then over time, you could tell about their manners and social graces).

 

[Vaalingrade]

I would not assume 'the breeding will tell' implied the resultant child and more the quality of the act...

 

[DEFCON 1]

I'm offering up a compatible alternative, as it seems several posters are less than pleased with WotC's solutions. No need to follow WotC's great design.

Heh heh, okay, well, then you don't need to tell me... you need to tell all the people who absolutely don't want mix 'n match species feature design, cause I'm good with it! Quoting me makes it sound like I'm the one you disagreed with, LOL.