Loki Season 2 Discussion - Spoilers

[MarkB]

What exactly is it that the Loom does? Visually, it's grabbing all the disparate timelines and weaving them into one cord, but clearly it isn't pruning off the excess, otherwise B-15 wouldn't be so concerned about ramping it up to cope with the excess rather than pruning them to relieve the pressure. So, is it merging them into some kind of shared timeline, in which case how does that even work, and how does it differ from pruning?

Random Across The Spider-verse thought I can't believe I didn't have before:

Spoiler

So, the premise of Miguel's viewpoint in Across The Spider-verse is that certain events in Spider-peoples' lives are "canon" and that breaking those events causes a universe to collapse. I never even considered connecting that to TVA activity before because the current MCU premise has been that the TVA stopped pruning, and the multiverse happened. But now we see at least some parts of the TVA still going on with the pruning, which leads to the thought that maybe those spider-verses weren't collapsing on their own, they were being pruned deliberately every time one of them deviated from canon/sacred timeline.

 

[pukunui]

I’m confused on what is exactly happening.

This is how I’ve felt for the entire run of this show. LOL.

 

[Tonguez]

What exactly is it that the Loom does? Visually, it's grabbing all the disparate timelines and weaving them into one cord, but clearly it isn't pruning off the excess, otherwise B-15 wouldn't be so concerned about ramping it up to cope with the excess rather than pruning them to relieve the pressure. So, is it merging them into some kind of shared timeline, in which case how does that even work, and how does it differ from pruning?

Random Across The Spider-verse thought I can't believe I didn't have before:

Spoiler

So, the premise of Miguel's viewpoint in Across The Spider-verse is that certain events in Spider-peoples' lives are "canon" and that breaking those events causes a universe to collapse. I never even considered connecting that to TVA activity before because the current MCU premise has been that the TVA stopped pruning, and the multiverse happened. But now we see at least some parts of the TVA still going on with the pruning, which leads to the thought that maybe those spider-verses weren't collapsing on their own, they were being pruned deliberately every time one of them deviated from canon/sacred timeline.

maybe the loom is weaving a web?

but yeah, it see,s the loom pulls in all the various timelines and stabilises them, but whether that means it makes them one timeline, I’m not sure. The woven web analogy works better imho

 

[Ryujin]

There's no one pure timeline anymore, so perhaps The Loom is drawing together various timelines at points of commonality in order to minimize the drift from the original, to keep things at a level that it can manage? Drift too far, by not keeping to the points of commonality, and you get pruned because The Loom can't handle the complexity? In this way they maintain some semblance of control, without having just the one timeline.

 

[Morrus]

yeah it was a response to this

Ah gotcha.

Interesting that she ended up at a McDonald's. I assume Disney had to pay Macca's some kind of royalty to be able to use their old-timey trade dress and such.

No, McDonalds will have paid Disney for the product placement.

 

[pukunui]

Ah gotcha.

No, McDonalds will have paid Disney for the product placement.

So I've been told.

 

[Stalker0]

I feel like we are in an intentional confused state, both us and the characters, so hopefully that will resolve with time.

Ultimately, my issue right now is my general problem with the multi-verse itself, the stakes are so high that I just don't care. When the branches were being pruned they were saying "thats millions of lives!"....which I thought, "um no, I mean these are entire universes right? It is a number beyond counting. The pruning incident made Thanos' snap look like a quaint Banzai tree reshaping in comparison"

But the issue is also that, well if the branches are effectively infinite, that means infinite branches will keep appearing, and as universes die to the infinite probability...again uncountable numbers of lives are snuffed out every second until the end of time.

When it was the sacred timeline versus the branches, you could argue in your head that the sacred timeline lives were "important" and the branches "were not". But now if they think all branches are equal....than everyone is equally unimportant.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

What exactly is it that the Loom does?

It weaves plot threads into a coherent narrative.

Shame it's broken.

 

[MarkB]

It weaves plot threads into a coherent narrative.

Shame it's broken.

That would certainly explain... well, everything since Endgame.

 

[Parmandur]

Yeah, I'm hoping we'll learn more about Sylvie this season.

Interesting that she ended up at a McDonald's. I assume Disney had to pay Macca's some kind of royalty to be able to use their old-timey trade dress and such.

Other way around, it's an ad.