Loki Season 2 Discussion - Spoilers

[tomBitonti]

I feel like we are in an intentional confused state, both us and the characters, so hopefully that will resolve with time.

Ultimately, my issue right now is my general problem with the multi-verse itself, the stakes are so high that I just don't care. When the branches were being pruned they were saying "thats millions of lives!"....which I thought, "um no, I mean these are entire universes right? It is a number beyond counting. The pruning incident made Thanos' snap look like a quaint Banzai tree reshaping in comparison"

But the issue is also that, well if the branches are effectively infinite, that means infinite branches will keep appearing, and as universes die to the infinite probability...again uncountable numbers of lives are snuffed out every second until the end of time.

When it was the sacred timeline versus the branches, you could argue in your head that the sacred timeline lives were "important" and the branches "were not". But now if they think all branches are equal....than everyone is equally unimportant.

I kindof figure the branches to be limited in extent, with each branch being a distinct bubble which expands at the speed of light. (FTL breaks this, but perhaps most places don't have access to FTL.) Perhaps less than FTL. That would allow pruning to be still dramatic, but also, to be more limited in extent.

This is working from the idea that (1) deviations are local; and (2) identical regions are actually the same region. That is, branching does not occur in a region until a deviation propagates into that region.

(This creates a rather wild topology if deviations are occurring in multiple locations simultaneously, or, if we consider the many universes interpretation of quantum mechanics, where deviations are occurring everywhere all of the time.)

TomB

 

[trappedslider]

Another easter egg filled episode

 

[MarkB]

Lots of interesting happenings, and I enjoyed the period-specific score, but still lots of confused motives, goals and intentions. And what is with Miss Minutes getting all horny and I-want-a-real-body all of a sudden after aeons?

I did like the Timeley Kang variant, he was an entertaining character.

 

[Kaodi]

Presumably Miss Minutes is going loopy because He Who Remains is dead. At least that seems like the most obvious difference between now and waves hands aeons. I suppose she is about to drop on Ravonna though the big secret behind that recording Loki heard earlier in the history of the TVA.

 

[pukunui]

I'm wondering if Renslayer is a female Kang variant.

One thing that confuses me is how a Kang variant ended up being born in the past, when the rest of them are seemingly from the distant future. Just timey wimey shenanigans?

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

I'm wondering if Renslayer is a female Kang variant.

One thing that confuses me is how a Kang variant ended up being born in the past, when the rest of them are seemingly from the distant future. Just timey wimey shenanigans?

They are from all along the timeline. One is an Egyptian Pharaoh.

And the Ravonna reveal is either her real relationship with Kang, like in the comics, or she is a Kang, which would be a new twist.

 

[pukunui]

They are from all along the timeline. One is an Egyptian Pharaoh.

Oh OK. I thought they were all from the future.

And the Ravonna reveal is either her real relationship with Kang, like in the comics, or she is a Kang, which would be a new twist.

I guess I’ll have to read up on their comics relationship.

 

[Clint_L]

What in the hell is Jonathan Majors trying to do as Victor Timely? This is the campiest, most distracting performance I have seen in any MCU property. His performances as alternate versions of the character haven't been good, but this is next level awful. Almost unwatchable, as in I don't know if I want to continuing watching the show while he is on it. It's like a high school drama student trying to do their version of a nerd Captain Kirk. What is he thinking? What is the director thinking?

The episode was, therefore, terrible. Story didn't make sense, and it was anchored in that performance. Even if Marvel didn't think the actor needed to be replaced for other reasons, this performance, which was filmed before any of that became public, should have shown him the door. The entire Kang/multiverse storyline needs to die in a fire. Go back to stories rooted in character arcs.

Marvel has lost the plot.

 

[Morrus]

What in the hell is Jonathan Majors trying to do as Victor Timely? This is the campiest, most distracting performance I have seen in any MCU property. His performances as alternate versions of the character haven't been good, but this is next level awful. Almost unwatchable, as in I don't know if I want to continuing watching the show while he is on it. It's like a high school drama student trying to do their version of a nerd Captain Kirk. What is he thinking? What is the director thinking?

The episode was, therefore, terrible. Story didn't make sense, and it was anchored in that performance. Even if Marvel didn't think the actor needed to be replaced for other reasons, this performance, which was filmed before any of that became public, should have shown him the door. The entire Kang/multiverse storyline needs to die in a fire. Go back to stories rooted in character arcs.

Marvel has lost the plot.

It was an odd performance, sure, but let's dial back the hysteria, eh?

 

[Clint_L]

Hardly hysterical. This episode of Loki made me sit back and ask myself, "what am I watching here?" There is so much good television right now, and I am wasting my time on this?

I'm a comics lifer. Watched and enjoyed every single MCU film up to End Game (which I attended at a midnight showing on opening night even though it was a work night), and seen all of the ones since, even if half were kinda bad. Seen all the D+ content. But I'm about done. The MCU is no longer built around human stories but around nonsensical multiverse shenanigans and plots that never go anywhere. Whatever I watched last night was like a parody of a comics villain. It was 60s Batman level, but without the self-aware fun. MODOK was a nuanced character by comparison.