D&D (2024) Ranger 2024 is a bigger joke than Ranger 2014:

[DEFCON 1]

There's no wait, except to see what they've done. The monk class is also set in stone, just like the ranger. Nothing we can say or do will change the books.

Yep! Which is why I always am amused by all the "coulda woulda shoulda"s and the despair that comes with it. Because every single one of us can take our coulda woulda shouldas and put them right into the game right now because house rules are a thing. If anyone thinks Hunter's Mark shouldn't have concentration... then just take it out of your game, or else go find a new table for which you can if it matters that much to you.

But of course, having to house rule means WotC didn't cater to our specific needs, and some people have never been able to handle their way not being the way. A lot of D&D players are self-centered in that way.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Yep! Which is why I always am amused by all the "coulda woulda shoulda"s and the despair that comes with it. Because every single one of us can take our coulda woulda shouldas and put them right into the game right now because house rules are a thing. If anyone thinks Hunter's Mark shouldn't have concentration... then just take it out of your game, or else go find a new table for which you can if it matters that much to you.

But of course, having to house rule means WotC didn't cater to our specific needs, and some people have never been able to handle their way not being the way. A lot of D&D players are self-centered in that way.

Completely agree (you know I do) on doing your own thing. That being said, if you're disappointed with what WotC is offering, you should be allowed to express that feeling, no matter what the specific object of your disappointment is.

 

[DEFCON 1]

Completely agree (you know I do) on doing your own thing. That being said, if you're disappointed with what WotC is offering, you should be allowed to express that feeling, no matter what the specific object of your disappointment is.

Of course! But the corollary is that other people are also allowed to state why they think their disappointment is misplaced. Especially (in my case in particular) when that disappointment is expressed by insulting the skills of the people who made the game in the first place.

The whole "I'm right and the designers are wrong and dumb for even thinking of it" attitude draws me like a moth to a flame and inspires me to chime in with "Well, like, that's just your opinion, man!" And if those posters don't like it when I do that... they don't have to make those kinds of posts in the first place if they aren't happy getting those responses.

 

[Staffan]

That algorithm idea has seemed more likely for years now.

they are diminutive giants, evolution at work, you never drop out of the order you are in, no matter what features you gain or loose

Miniature giant space hamsters strike again!

 

[Chaosmancer]

Not necessarily. At least the question is at what level concentration has to go. I ma very much oposed to removing it at level 1.

I agree, this is why I like "when cast as a 3rd level spell" because it puts it at a higher level, and makes sure it has enough of a cost to not make it an automatic default for everyone.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

Yeah. That monk won't go through unnerfed. If you want an overpowered class compared to other martials, go for it.
A few pieces will be brought in line. And then it is a very fine class.

I personally still hate that Monk is now objectively a moron who don't understand concept of technique and strategy, while Barbarian is a technique based class, alongside Fighter, Paladin and Ranger. So there's a huge flavor fail here.
Also, nothing in the UA actually looks overpowered, Monk just can manipulate its own action economy now, that merely bridges the gap between Monk and other martials, but it's faar from overpwoered in a game where wizard exists.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

I personally still hate that Monk is now objectively a moron who don't understand concept of technique and strategy, while Barbarian is a technique based class, alongside Fighter, Paladin and Ranger. So there's a huge flavor fail here.
Also, nothing in the UA actually looks overpowered, Monk just can manipulate its own action economy now, that merely bridges the gap between Monk and other martials, but it's faar from overpwoered in a game where wizard exists.

Oh yes. The classic "wizard exists" argumentation.

Also I am not sure you should call anything "moron".
Especially if it is not based on facts but probably your declaration that only weapon mastery is some kind of technique.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

Oh yes. The classic "wizard exists" argumentation.

Also I am not sure you should call anything "moron".
Especially if it is not based on facts but probably your declaration that only weapon mastery is some kind of technique.

The way it is presented, yes - weapon mastery is use of technique and strategy in fight, it showcases skill of the user. Monk lacking it is officially "team moron who doesn't know how to fight, jsut swings their arms and hopes to hit soemthing". And yes, you can flavor your attacks as using techniques, but flavor is always free anyway.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

The way it is presented, yes - weapon mastery is use of technique and strategy in fight, it showcases skill of the user. Monk lacking it is officially "team moron who doesn't know how to fight, jsut swings their arms and hopes to hit soemthing". And yes, you can flavor your attacks as using techniques, but flavor is always free anyway.

Wow. Doubling down.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Wow. Doubling down.

Have the released the Monk preview yet? I haven't seen the thread.