D&D (2024) I have the DMG. AMA!

[tetrasodium]

Only because you perceive a power dynamic and see the rules being flipped in a way that provides enjoyment for the players based on the way people play the game.

No, not at all and should remember why because one of the times I explained it was in a reply to you and you quoted that post.

I've explained why (ie 822 1063 & maybe others) the change makes for a negative impact on gameplay & table time for both the GM -and- other players who might call out the action that another player is about to take. IME it's far more common for a player to bring it up before the GM chimes in. What's really noteworthy is that you don't even acknowledge that the dismissal & resulting conflict created by the new RAW can negatively impact other players too.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Your personal anecdotes mean just as much as mine do. I have decades of experience too.

Micah.

I am begging you to stop telling me that my experience is my experience.

I know.

Everyone knows.

We don't need to be told.

 

[Vaalingrade]

I wonder if googling it would have some results?

FKS is probably too short for google to use.

Or Give >_>

 

[Remathilis]

Yeah, but they are not Gen Z RPGers.

They weren't Gen X RPers either.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Neither is good, nor bad, they're merely different. But some things can be more appropriate or more fitting for the needs of the current and future player base.

There are two different avenues of disagreement here.

1) I disagree with you aesthetically that gods controlling the font of divine power makes for a more compelling or coherent setting.

2) I disagree with you conceptually that the player base would be better served by providing a menu of disparate cosmology options in the DMG. My opinion could be biased by my agreement with their choices of what to present, but I feel like I would still support their decision even if they had presented a cosmology less to my liking.

Fair enough. I accept your disagree (on both counts), but I still maintain my view.

 

[Vaalingrade]

They weren't Gen X RPers either.

God, remember when the screaming argument of RPG infamy was whether you could roleplay if your character worthwhile stats mechanically instead of whether you should get your worthwhile mechanics taken from you for roleplaying?

Get the piano, Archie; those were the days.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Show me these players. These players who think that they get to decide what all NPCs do and override everything on the DM's side of the screen.

I am only aware of two players who have ever had the upper hand over the DM - one used to badger him into running one on one sessions for their 15th level wizard 3.X PC when he was getting bored. (For some reason I did not invite that player to my game after the initial meeting). The other was the DM's girlfriend.

The main issue is whether DMs should be allowed to make players beg to use their character's abilities or whether the player has any in setting power at all.

No one is saying players need to beg their DM to use their superpowers, just that they follow the rules they agreed to when they built the PC.

And players have in-setting power through the choices they make for their PCs.

All IMO of course.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Again, with the player vs DM viewpoint. Couldn’t possibly be from the standpoint of fairness and enjoyment for the players and avoidance of conflict - yes, they’ve had to undo a lot of bad habits from previous editions.

You act like players never had any fun with D&D prior to 5e.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Yes, because while OC play isn't the center of 5e, it's certainly within its boundaries.

Appears to be moving closer to the center of current design thought all the time. Which makes the DM just the person who facilitates it.

 

[TiQuinn]

No, not at all and should remember why because one of the times I explained it was in a reply to you and you quoted that post.

I've explained why (ie 822 1063 & maybe others) the change makes for a negative impact on gameplay & table time for both the GM -and- other players who might call out the action that another player is about to take. IME it's far more common for a player to bring it up before the GM chimes in. What's really noteworthy is that you don't even acknowledge that the dismissal & resulting conflict created by the new RAW can negatively impact other players too.

I’ve found your posts as unpersuasive as you’ve probably found mine.

But I do remember you railing on in another thread about how me discussing “bad DMs” was toxic behavior, and yet this thread has done a lot to reaffirm my viewpoints on that score.