D&D (2024) 5.24e New Cleric

[FrogReaver]

maybe a spell should be better than what any schmuck can make and/or use.

Ummm, not following you.

 

[MarkB]

Yeah, my personal houserule has always removed the limitation and just let them distribute the healing. It is just faster than figuring out what everyone's 50% mark is.

Given that Bloodied is now a condition again, maybe that 50% figure will be tracked on the character sheet.

 

[Chaosmancer]

maybe a spell should be better than what any schmuck can make and/or use.

I'd say Healing Word is better. Yes, it heals for the same amount as a basic potion, and both take a bonus action, but the Healing Word having a 60 ft range is pretty nice

 

[Zardnaar]

I'd say Healing Word is better. Yes, it heals for the same amount as a basic potion, and both take a bonus action, but the Healing Word having a 60 ft range is pretty nice

Might not have reliable access to healing potions....

Or be conscious to use it.

 

[ProGunRoy]

The 5.24e New Cleric has a number of changes from the old. The biggest changes, in my opinion, are in some key spells. So let's talk about it!

CORE CLASS:
Spells prepared: was level+wis, now set amount based on chart. Very similar.
Cantrips: can now be changed on gaining level.
Lev 1 Divine Order: Replaces what sub-classes usually gave at lev 1. Choose either Heavy Armor + Martial Weapon proficiency, OR +1 cantrip and add Wis mod to either Religion or Arcana checks.
Lev 2 Channel Divinity: Was 1 use originally scaled to 3 uses and regain on short rest, now 2 uses scales to 4 but only regain 1 use on short rest. Also new use for Channel Divinity, a scaling d8+wis you can use to heal an ally or damage a foe. Finally, turn undead slightly tweaked - it now also incapacities them (so they move away but don't use action).
Lev 5: Was destroy undead, now Sear undead. Wis Mod in d8s damage to turned undead, doesn't end turn effect.
Lev 7: Blessed Strike (was sub-class feature): Either Divine Strike (similar to before) or Add wis mod to cantrip damage.
Lv 10: Divine Intervention: was small chance and regain use after 7 days, now can use every long rest to cast any 5th lev cleric spell as an action using no material components. THIS IS POTENTIALLY A PROBLEM. I think most people will use it for something like Resurrection (which used to take a while and have a costly component). BUT there is a potentially broken use for casting the Hallow spell (which used to take 24 hours to cast and have an expensive component).
Lev 14: Improved Blessed Strike: Choose either your Divine Strike is now 2d8, OR give 2xWis-Mod in temp hit points to you or an ally when you do damage with a cantrip. POTENTIAL PROBLEM - bag of rats issue.
Lev: 19 Epic Boon
Lev 20: Greater Divine Intervention: you can now use Wish as your Divine Intervention, but if you do the power doesn't reset for 2d4 long rests.

Spell Access:
Now Circle of Power and Power Word Fortify added to Cleric list

Important Spell Changes:
Cure Wounds/Healing Word/Mass Cure spells: Buffed. Starts at 2d8 (or 2d4 for healing word)+Wis Mod, and scales a lot! Every slot above first adds another 2d8/2d4.
Spiritual Weapon: Nerfed. Now requires concentration, but scales better (+1d8 per lev above 2).
Spirit Guardians: Buffed. POTENTIAL PROBLEM. Now damages creature when the field enters their space (didn't used to), once per turn. So you can run around hitting all the foes like a pinball machine. Then ready an action to run around some more. Then someone else (like a monk) can grapple you and run you around a third time.

Subclasses:
Life Cleric:
Lev 3 Disciple of Life: Mostly same, but only helps on the turn you cast the healing spell, so no longer able to do it with Goodberry or Aura of Vitality.
Lev 3 Domain Spells: Pretty much the same as before (Aid has replaced Spiritual Weapon)
Rest of abilities (blessed healer and supreme healing) basically same as before, but practically speaking Supreme Healing is more effective with changes to Cure Wounds and Mass Cure Wounds.

Light Cleric:
Lev 3: Domain Spells: Pretty similar, but now has See Invisibility and Arcane Eye (yes it still has Fireball)
Lev 3: Radiance of the Dawn: Basically same
Lev 3: Warding Flare: Now works on attacks against you OR an ally (used to be just you).
Lev 6: Improved Warding Flare: regain uses on short rest, and 2d6+wis Mod temp HP to recipient
Lev 17: Corona of Light: Now also works for Radiance of Dawn, and now has a set number of uses Wis Mod per day.

Trickery Cleric:
Lev 3: Blessing of the Trickster: Advantage on Stealth now lasts all day rather than an hour, and can now choose yourself instead of just an ally
Lev 3: Invoke Duplicity (illusionary copy of self): Now bonus action instead of action, no longer uses concentration, cast spells through the illusion's space, if both you and illusion are next to foe gives advantage to your attacks, and you can move the illusion 30' with bonus action
Lev 3: Domain Spells: Slight Nerf: Invisibility and Confusion replace Mirror Image and Polymorph. Otherwise same.
Lev 6: Trickster Transposition: Buff: Can now swap places with your illusion (teleport) when you use bonus action to create or move it.
Lev 17: Improved Duplicity: Distraction applies to allies now, and when illusion ends you or ally gain HPs = Cleric Lev.

War Domain:
Lev 3: Guided Strike: Buff, +10 attack to a miss now can apply to ally's attack, and doesn't use your reaction if it's your attack.
Lev 3: Domain Spells: Buffed. Adds Guiding Bolt, Magic Weapon (which itself is improved), Spirit Guardians (which is improved), Crusader's mantle, Fire Shield, and Steel Wind Strike.
Lev 3: War Priest: Buffed. Now bonus action, and regains after short rest.
Lev 6: War God's Blessing: Now can cast Shield of Faith or Spiritual Weapon with use of channel divinity without concentration.
Lev 17: Avatar of Battle: "non-magical weapons" restriction removed.

In regards to possible brokenness of divine intervention, I don’t see as an issue. There is already a magic action cast of any spell you put in a staff with crafting, and that gets you up to 7 castings a day. If these staff shenanigans are going to be allowed by RAW, then this feature isn’t nearly as reality warping. I see wizards with one action planar bindings, hallucinatory terrain coming along and if your cleric wants to spam cast hallow a staff will do the job nicely.

This feature just seems alot less irksome now that the 2024 crafting rules came out. Lol.

 

[Mistwell]

In regards to possible brokenness of divine intervention, I don’t see as an issue. There is already a magic action cast of any spell you put in a staff with crafting, and that gets you up to 7 castings a day. If these staff shenanigans are going to be allowed by RAW, then this feature isn’t nearly as reality warping. I see wizards with one action planar bindings, hallucinatory terrain coming along and if your cleric wants to spam cast hallow a staff will do the job nicely.

This feature just seems alot less irksome now that the 2024 crafting rules came out. Lol.

I am beginning to wonder if the "spell casting time remains the same" people for enspelled items

 

[UngeheuerLich]

In regards to possible brokenness of divine intervention, I don’t see as an issue. There is already a magic action cast of any spell you put in a staff with crafting,

No. It is not. That is a misreading of the rules.
There is an entry that explicitely says that spells cast from items use their normal casting time.

Spells Cast from Items​

Some magic items allow the user to cast a spell from the item. The spell is cast at the lowest possible spell and caster level, doesn’t expend any of the user’s spell slots, and requires no components unless the item’s description notes otherwise. The spell uses its normal casting time, range, and duration, and the user of the item must concentrate if the spell requires Concentration.

 

[Mistwell]

No. It is not. That is a purposeful misreading of the rules.
There is an entry that explicitely says that spells cast from items use their normal casting time.

Nobody is "purposefully misreading the rules." You have a dispute with that interpretation. You see it one way, others see it another way, there are rational arguments on both sides.

You continuing to tell people who disagree with you that they are arguing in bad faith and purposefully misreading the rules is going to make the conversation worse every time. It would probably be much more useful to just make your case and not characterize those who disagree in that manner.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Nobody is "purposefully misreading the rules." You have a dispute with that interpretation.

No. I have not.

You see it one way, others see it another way, there are rational arguments on both sides.

I quoted the text directly from the DMG in the post above.

You continuing to tell people who disagree with you that they are arguing in bad faith and purposefully misreading the rules is going to make the conversation worse every time. It would probably be much more useful to just make your case and not characterize those who disagree in that manner.

Please explain how you come to the conclusion that it takes the magic action to cast a spell from an enspelled staff, when there is a rule how it works.

Edit: I edited purposeful out. I should not have adressed it to malice.

Edit2: I am only speaking about the claim that you can cast any spell as an action, just to be clear.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

I am beginning to wonder if the "spell casting time remains the same" people for enspelled items

Please finish your sentence.