D&D (2024) Kobold Press posts 2024 DMG Hit Piece

[mamba]

What was thrown out?

optional rules, monster creation

 

[Mistwell]

I like the idea of bastions, but very much not the execution of it in the DMG. It feels divorced from the setting to me, just another set of PC superpowers.

How is this a response to a claim a bastion system is fluff that's not needed?

 

[Mistwell]

$1M when WotC makes $150M from D&D kinda puts the demand in perspective.

Right now monster creation is missing, out of the two I rate that higher… let’s see if that shows up in the MM, if not I consider it a bad trade

The Kickstarter itself made $2,121,465 at a time when Matt was relatively unknown, and since then has made tons more.

There isn't a way to spin this concept as one that wasn't in demand. Matt basically tested the idea and found the market was interested, then WOTC tested it more and found the market was interested, and now in reviews of the DMG it's highlighted as a good contribution. I get you don't like it, but I don't get how you can claim the market thinks it's unnecessary fluff.

We think monster creation is in the MM where it belongs. I guess let's see.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Just because a ghost in a film said it doesn’t make it true.

99% of the time they don’t come: Marketing and sales are hard. There’s a reason why 99% of the industry is tiny 1-person companies. And if you just build it and hope they’ll just come, you probably shouldn’t be in businesse.

Marketing matters too, fair enough.

 

[mamba]

The Kickstarter itself made $2,121,465 at a time when Matt was relatively unknown

I’d argue he was not unknown at all, and the number reflects that…

and since then has made tons more

the D&D number was an annual number, it too made tons more

We think monster creation is in the MM where it belongs. I guess let's see.

we will, if it is then all is fine, if it isn’t then I have a few ideas about what they should have cut instead

 

[Micah Sweet]

How is this a response to a claim a bastion system is fluff that's not needed?

I'd rather that space be taken up by other material rather than a subsystem operating on a premise that doesn't agree with my playstyle. Like I said, it's all preference.

 

[Micah Sweet]

What was thrown out?

A fair amount of optional rules material, for starters.

 

[mamba]

I'd rather that space be taken up by other material rather than a subsystem operating on a premise that doesn't agree with my playstyle. Like I said, it's all preference.

you not liking the particular implementation does not have any bearing on how relevant having bastions is to a DM. That is the point they were trying to make

 

[Micah Sweet]

The Kickstarter itself made $2,121,465 at a time when Matt was relatively unknown, and since then has made tons more.

There isn't a way to spin this concept as one that wasn't in demand. Matt basically tested the idea and found the market was interested, then WOTC tested it more and found the market was interested, and now in reviews of the DMG it's highlighted as a good contribution. I get you don't like it, but I don't get how you can claim the market thinks it's unnecessary fluff.

We think monster creation is in the MM where it belongs. I guess let's see.

Who's "we"?

 

[Imaro]

A fair amount of optional rules material, for starters.

So nothing necessary to run the game.