trappedslider
Legend
If I don't like a show I get up and leave, I stopped watching during Jodie's time because I didn't like the writing. I didn't stick around just to complain.
Spoilers Doctor Who s15 (or 2) [[spoilers!]]
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Necropolitan
Hero
People are allowed to criticize shows you like.
Feel free to say how the criticisms are wrong.
People are allowed to do all sorts of things. This is not in question. You seem confused—it wasn’t a comment about legality.
Necropolitan
Hero
You know what people mean, stop trolling.
Drop the attitude, please. Or you’ll be asked to leave the thread.
(And please stop repeatedly reporting me to me. It’s annoying and pointless. You can politely PM me if you feel like you need to have a conversation, as per the rules.)
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Hussar
Legend
Hang on a tick.
Since when have gods not been real in Doctor Who? What exactly do you think the thing was in the bottom of "The Satan Pit"? Just as an easy example. Doctor Who has been chock a block with gods. "Seen as gods" and "actual gods" is a bit of pedantry that means nothing.
The musical number at the end of Maestro was a brilliant bit of foreshadowing. "It always ends with a Twist"? Talk about a nod and a wink. Was it a bit silly and goofy? Sure. But, who cares? It was fun.
See, the funny thing is, I do show Doctor Who to my students from time to time (usually in 15 minute chunks when we finish up a lesson a bit early) and they absolutely love it. They started with 15 and they actively look forward to every episode. So, when people talk about Doctor Who not connecting with kids, well, they sure connect with mine.
Since when have gods not been real in Doctor Who? What exactly do you think the thing was in the bottom of "The Satan Pit"? Just as an easy example. Doctor Who has been chock a block with gods. "Seen as gods" and "actual gods" is a bit of pedantry that means nothing.
The musical number at the end of Maestro was a brilliant bit of foreshadowing. "It always ends with a Twist"? Talk about a nod and a wink. Was it a bit silly and goofy? Sure. But, who cares? It was fun.
See, the funny thing is, I do show Doctor Who to my students from time to time (usually in 15 minute chunks when we finish up a lesson a bit early) and they absolutely love it. They started with 15 and they actively look forward to every episode. So, when people talk about Doctor Who not connecting with kids, well, they sure connect with mine.
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It's usually a bit like the Star Trek thing--aliens with godlike powers and/or tech, but aliens not gods. I guess divinity is what we decide it is, but generally they are regarded as supernatural--literally beyond science. You could argue that the Doctor is a god; he certainly has quasi-magical powers unexplainable by any science that we know of today, but in-universe he does nothing unexplainable. Is Q a god in Star Trek? Hell, is Spock? He can do magic psychic stuff. Is Thor a god in the MCU? How does he differ from any other superpowered being? What makes him a 'god' and Spider-man not? Is Superman a god?
I guess we're really arguing semantics. Not to get into religion, but I personally do not believe that gods exist any more than I believe Time Lords do, so we can all define these things any way we want to. But I do feel like the show has pushed into the 'magic' or 'fantasy' genre a little more the last couple of years--and RTD has certainly said that that was his explicit intention.
Then again, it can all be reversed with a line which explains them as non-magical.
The Doctor: Nah, they're not really gods. I mean, they come from outside the universe and manipulate zero-quantum energy in a way that even we Time Lords can't do, so I guess they're pretty much gods even to Gallifreyans, but it's not actually magic. Actually, I'm one of them. God of Time, right? I found out last night when I looked in my really old diary. Totally forgot I'd written all that stuff, it was like 15 billion years ago before this universe was even born. No wonder I seem to defeat every one of them! Anyway, next subject? You were asking about the coffee machine...
Also, the show specifically included an in-world reason for more mythic content: the Doctor invoking superstition against the Not Things at the Edge of the Universe. That's why we're getting goblins (who are really more like gremlins), gods, and magic.
Tonguez
A suffusion of yellow
Does no one remember the Pandorica Opens/Big Bang when the Doctor uses the belief of all humanity to reset the entire Universe? If thats not cosmic magic what is?
Matt Smiths Doctor was arguably pushing the Doctor as virtual god as a core theme -then giving us the whole Silence plot to have him forgotten.
Of course Tom Bakers Trial linking him to the Matrix, Omega and The Other had already suggested his godly status 50 yrs ago.
Matt Smiths Doctor was arguably pushing the Doctor as virtual god as a core theme -then giving us the whole Silence plot to have him forgotten.
Of course Tom Bakers Trial linking him to the Matrix, Omega and The Other had already suggested his godly status 50 yrs ago.
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James Gasik
We don't talk about Pun-Pun
Or that time Ten went ̶S̶u̶p̶e̶r̶ ̶S̶a̶i̶y̶a̶n̶ supercharged his psychic powers just from having Martha wander around telling stories about him for a year. Hmm...
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