D&D 5E Paladin oath. What constitutes willingly breaking your oath/code?

In which cases a paladin has willingly broken their oath/code?


For the record, I voted that they break their Oath for every situation except death and unconsciousness. Under a status effect counts but the caveat is it would be in their own eyes that they failed. They might feel some guilt or something for being 'weak willed' or whatever.
 

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Superbeast20

Storyteller
Paladin's oaths and Lawful Good. Always so much fun.

I don't think there is a single other class that consistently shows the desire to set out and do the right thing. And then immediately smashes that desire up against reality.

Questions like this never seem to go away. I am quite thankful for that.
 

zztong

Explorer
In which cases a paladin has willingly broken their oath/code?

I'd say whenever they had a choice and chose to go against their oath.

That said, the more interesting question to me is what happens because of it. In my games, the deities are not real; the atheists are correct. Any oath has to be upheld by society. Society can be political. Society can be amoral. A highly placed church official may choose to look the other way, or not. The Paladin's actions may have gone unseen. To me, this is much more interesting than turning the DM into the hand of god and inflicting punishment. It gives control to the player to craft their character.
 




doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
But, this is the problem. The 1e Cavalier is only one kind of paladin.

5e has multiple types of paladins. Sure, an Oath of Devotion paladin is going to worship Pelor or Heironeous or someone similar and yup, Captain America is the go to archetype.

But, again, that's only 1 kind of paladin. Number 1, an Oath of Conquest Paladin most certainly wouldn't give two copper pieces if you wanted to sacrifice some peon. His fault for not being strong enough. Heck, ask me nicely and I might even help. So, right off the bat, you cannot apply older edition standards to all paladins.

But, let's go with the paladin that started all this - an Oath of Ancients paladin. Now, Captain America is very much not the archetype here. This is a paladin that likely worships some nature god - Mieliki or Silvanus. He's tied to the fey courts and bound by fey morality. A better archetype might be maybe Storm from X-men? Maybe? I'm actually rather drawing a blank here to be honest, because this type of paladin is new and I'm not sure where I'd look to for inspiration. But, I do know that it's not Captain America. I can't see some Nature goddess insisting on sacrificing yourself for others. Not when the primary focus of the oath is life and living and beauty.
Ancients is more Spider-Man. Be a light to the world, give people hope, don’t let yourself get beaten down, etc.

But also Cap would never let himself die to make a point or just to maintain his ideological purity. He is a strategist, and a person who believes in getting back up. He’d see that act as ultimately selfish.
 


Beleriphon

Totally Awesome Pirate Brain
So, lets apply Marvel to the paladins:

Devotion: Captain America
Ancients: Spider-Man
Vengeance: The Punisher
Crown: Doctor Doom (it happens to be his version of Laws and Civilization)
Conquest: Kang
Oathbreaker: No sure, pick a badguy
 


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