D&D 5E 2024 D&D is 2014 D&D with 4E sprinkled on top

[Micah Sweet]

I've been digging through lots of older material lately. Currently running a 3.0 adventure in 5E. Converting some 3.5 feats.

Mechanically the edition isn't great. Conceptually and fluff wise it may be one of the best.

I'd still give the concept and fluff edges to 2e personally. But 3e was pretty good.

 

[Zardnaar]

No, Zardnaar. That's a trait of most gamers, and you do folks a bit of insult to position it otherwise.

Most of us in the hobby have day jobs and lives that don't permit us to do significant game redesign and writing ourselves. We are lucky to have time to play.

So get off 4e players backs, please and thanks.

I've done my own homebrew, OSR games dime a dozen. Others have done home brew.

We have suggested how to do it. I started with 4 races 4 classes. Been tweaking it since 2012/13 or so.

Find an edition you can basically steal the engine from, copy and paste a lot.

Did most of it pulling a 45 hour week.

Feats are mostly existing ones sometimes tweaked. Or 5E ones broken into microfeats.
I'm onto my 3rd major revision I suppose. Mostly for a new engine or whatever.

 

[Zardnaar]

I'd still give the concept and fluff edges to 2e personally. But 3e was pretty good.

Might be right with 2E. The DM and world building stuff from 2E is still useful.

 

[TwoSix]

I'm one of those people who loved 5 and didn't care for 6. Is 7 any good?

I enjoyed both 5 and 6, and I'm very much enjoying 7. From what I've read on Reddit, people who were both pro-5 and anti-6 are pretty split on 7, to sometimes extreme lengths.

For properties that people feel attached to, I'm generally a terrible judge on if they'll like something or not; I'm much more interested in novelty than I am in consistency.

 

[Zardnaar]

As I understand it 7 is terribly buggy.

Reviews aren't great 7-8 range it seems but all the others are generally 9+ or high 80's for a "bad" one.

 

[TwoSix]

As I understand it 7 is terribly buggy.

Reviews aren't great 7-8 range it seems but all the others are generally 9+ or high 80's for a "bad" one.

It's buggier on consoles than PCs, but yea, definitely has its share of "yea, we released it, but this is really an open beta" bugs. The UI definitely needed a few more months to get cleaned up.

But the bones of the game; the decoupling of leader and culture, the age transitions into new cultures, the split between cities and towns, the smoothing out of the Civ 6 district model without junking it, they all work great. Right now, it's a 7 out of 10, but the solid engine of the game means it'll be a 9 out of 10 with a year or so of DLC and patches.

 

[Zardnaar]

It's buggier on consoles than PCs, but yea, definitely has its share of "yea, we released it, but this is really an open beta" bugs. The UI definitely needed a few more months to get cleaned up.

But the bones of the game; the decoupling of leader and culture, the age transitions into new cultures, the split between cities and towns, the smoothing out of the Civ 6 district model without junking it, they all work great. Right now, it's a 7 out of 10, but the solid engine of the game means it'll be a 9 out of 10 with a year or so of DLC and patches.

Maybe I played revolutions, civ 3 and 4 on release as such and they were great. Civ 1 and 2 I played base game years after release.

If the games weak on release and tanks afterwards you're not going to get the payoff later.

And Civilization shouldn't cost megabucks to develop and it's been great on release with virtually all of them.

Haven't played 5 or 6 to any great extent.

 

[TwoSix]

Maybe I played revolutions, civ 3 and 4 on release as such and they were great. Civ 1 and 2 I played base game years after release.

If the games weak on release and tanks afterwards you're not going to get the payoff later.

And Civilization shouldn't cost megabucks to develop and it's been great on release with virtually all of them.

Haven't played 5 or 6 to any great extent.

Yea, but that isn't how games are released anymore in the Steam era.

Even the almighty BG3 had some jank in the first few months after release, and that was after 3 years in Early Access.

 

[Zardnaar]

Yea, but that isn't how games are released anymore in the Steam era.

Even the almighty BG3 had some jank in the first few months after release, and that was after 3 years in Early Access.

Aware. Probably why I'm still playing SMAC and Civ3.

 

[Umbran]

I've done my own homebrew, OSR games dime a dozen. Others have done home brew.

Hooray for you. I honestly wish you'd taken the conversational advice, but since you won't, I'll give the red text version:

Mod Note:
Your frequent and consistent poking at fans of 4e is getting noticed and reported. If you don't want it to become a real issue, treated as trolling, get off their backs.