D&D (2024) 2024 PHB Feats and Misc discussion

[TwoSix]

Replacing ASIs or still a choice between them and feats, you think?

My gut feeling is that they're going to replace "Ability Score Improvement" with "Feat" in the class tables, and "Improve 2 different stats by 1" is going to be a 4th level repeatable feat.

I also don't think raising a stat by 2 at once is going to be possible, because I think they want people to take feats as opposed to beelining for 20s. I have nothing to base that on, just what I'm feeling.

 

[Charlaquin]

if the short rest gets reduced to 1-5 min it might work, then again you gain inspiration if you make any roll a 20.

Part of the change to long rests was that if one gets interrupted after 1 hour or more, you still get the benefits of a short rest. So I think it’s a safe bet that short rests are still an hour.

 

[Aldarc]

It's also telling what are not included among the 1st level feats. It's not just the Great Weapon Masters and Polearm Master feats. It's also the ones that provide armor and weapon proficiencies.

 

[Charlaquin]

My gut feeling is that they're going to replace "Ability Score Improvement" with "Feat" in the class tables, and "Improve 2 different stats by 1" is going to be a 4th level repeatable feat.

I agree.

I also don't think raising a stat by 2 at once is going to be possible, because I think they want people to take feats as opposed to beelining for 20s. I have nothing to base that on, just what I'm feeling.

As you say, this is baseless, but I’d be up for it. Especially if they do actually make all 4th+ level feats give +1 to an ability score.

 

[Charlaquin]

It's also telling what are not included among the 1st level feats. It's not just the Great Weapon Masters and Polearm Master feats. It's also the ones that provide armor and weapon proficiencies.

Which is kinda odd in my opinion. They said they were shifting cultural traits from race to background, but there’s no way to gain the traditional racial weapon and armor proficiencies from your background. Maybe this choice will make more sense as we get more context, but right now it feels like Weapon Master and lightly/moderately/heavily armored (sans the +1 in Str/Dex/Con) would have been obvious candidates for 1st level Feats.

 

[TwoSix]

It's also telling what are not included among the 1st level feats. It's not just the Great Weapon Masters and Polearm Master feats. It's also the ones that provide armor and weapon proficiencies.

Very true. I wonder if there's going to be a different system to assign starting skills, proficiencies, etc. Possibly they view 1-level dips just to grab armor proficiencies and different saves as problematic.

 

[Benjamin Olson]

Yeah, this is a real problem with introducing these changes one chunk at a time instead of a full vertical slice. We lack the necessary context to properly evaluate the rules glossary changes.

The other problem is that fills me with anxiety as to what the next installment contains.

 

[Aldarc]

Which is kinda odd in my opinion. They said they were shifting cultural traits from race to background, but there’s no way to gain the traditional racial weapon and armor proficiencies from your background. Maybe this choice will make more sense as we get more context, but right now it feels like Weapon Master and lightly/moderately/heavily armored (sans the +1 in Str/Dex/Con) would have been obvious candidates for 1st level Feats.

Maybe they don't want the Wizard to start out with more armor proficiencies at 1st level?

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Tool profs were designed in a context where checks were ability-first and proficiencies (be they skill, tool, or other) were an optional add-on, and make perfect sense in that context. Technically, that is still true of 5e as-written, but not how most DM’s actually run it.

Doesn't help that it's not how official character sheets are designed.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Which is kinda odd in my opinion. They said they were shifting cultural traits from race to background, but there’s no way to gain the traditional racial weapon and armor proficiencies from your background. Maybe this choice will make more sense as we get more context, but right now it feels like Weapon Master and lightly/moderately/heavily armored (sans the +1 in Str/Dex/Con) would have been obvious candidates for 1st level Feats.

It's probable that they are such obvious and easy candidates that they don't feel that they need playtesting. They can 'port in as-is. (Minus the stat-bump, as you say.)