Incenjucar
Legend
In 5E, a fighter knocking pushing away and knocking prone a bunch of mooks who have completely surrounded them is an impossibility. In most action media, it's a cliche.
In 5E, a fighter knocking pushing away and knocking prone a bunch of mooks who have completely surrounded them is an impossibility. In most action media, it's a cliche.
okay, now you're just being intentionally obtuse. this is not what he was referring to and you know it (and that's ignoring that what you described would take a level 20 fighter a minimum of 2 rounds to actually set up without action surge).She has simultaneously had two Giant sized enemies both prone and grappled at the same time (so they can't get up) while she shoves and/or attacks a 3rd and 4th enemy.
That won't work for me. I need the mechanics to prevent not only me, but other Batmans from exclipsing Superman.If you want your batman option, then level cap your fighters. Let the rest of us have parity.
Drizzt Dourden, Bruenner Battlehammer, Caramon Majere, Abdel Adrian, Kelemvor, Havilar, Erivis Cale. That is seven right there.Give me a name.
Give me the strongest fighter in all of DnD's 50 years of literature, the walking legend that level 20 fighters should aspire to be the same way they aspire to be El-"fought through Hell"-Minster and Morden-"my job is multiversal balance"-kainen. Who is the Fighter that Demogorgon respects and fears? The Fighter that Dagon plans around the existence of?
We have five DECADES of lore, surely there has to be at least ONE fighter who is a legend, who is not a god, right?
I have done it with my character in play using RAW. How is that being obtuse? And by the way that is at 9th level, not 20th and I can grapple and shove 2 enemies in a single round while also getting in a single attack at advantage.okay, now you're just being intentionally obtuse. this is not what he was referring to and you know it (and that's ignoring that what you described would take a level 20 fighter a minimum of 2 rounds to actually set up without action surge).
Give me a Fighter that can swing around on grappling hooks and do sick takedowns on multiple dudes at once and be competent at mental skills and isn't a literal ninja and maybe the light from the star of 'this is a reasonable point' will reach this argument sometimes within the lifespan of the Sol System.
because what you described is not what he described in a matter that is so obvious that the fact that you could think it was the same is simply not reasonable.I'm not being obtuse I have done it with my character in play using RAW. How is that being obtuse?
uh - no, the attack is straight (unless you get advantage from somewhere else) since the only place i can find that you're getting that attack from is tavern brawler, which lets you grapple as a bonus action if you hit with an attack (which also means that grapple attempt is reliant on the first strike hitting, making it significantly less likely you actually get it off to begin with).And by the way that is at 9th level, not 20th and I can grapple and shove 2 enemies in a single round while also getting in a single attack at advantage.
it is not in any way practical to attempt to knock away and prone an entire horde as a fighter, and it's an especially terrible use of action surge to attempt to do so.Also fighters have action surge at 2nd level so saying you need to use action surge to do it is not really relevant, that is a class ability. If we were talking about Barbarians or Rangers that might matter. The statement was it is an impossibility and it isn't.
you see? this is what i mean by intentionally obtuse. he means this trope. are you going to tell me this isn't a single turn? and hell, if anything he underexaggerated what's actually happening in this trope - from a mechanical perspective, this would look more like opposing a horde's worth of grapples in a single turn and knocking that horde prone and away from you on top of that. that's not even close to possible in 5e.Further no one said anything about doing it in a single turn.
oh, okay, i see the problem here - it seems you didn't actually read what he said.As a point of fact though, a 20th level fighter can knock 8 enemies prone in a single turn without any feats or fighting style bonuses at all. That is not being obtuse, that is RAW.
read it again and tell me the problem with what you just said, ecmo.In 5E, a fighter knocking pushing away and knocking prone a bunch of mooks who have completely surrounded them is an impossibility.
because what you described is not what he described in a matter that is so obvious that the fact that you could think it was the same is simply not reasonable.
uh - no, the attack is straight (unless you get advantage from somewhere else) since the only place i can find that you're getting that attack from is tavern brawler, which lets you grapple as a bonus action if you hit with an attack (which also means that grapple attempt is reliant on the first strike hitting, making it significantly less likely you actually get it off to begin with).
it is not in any way practical to attempt to knock away and prone an entire horde as a fighter, and it's an especially terrible use of action surge to attempt to do so.
read it again and tell me the problem with what you just said, ecmo.