D&D 4E 4e Battle Tactic: Murder by Pinball

[Nail]

My wizard threw up a wall of fire last week and kept thunder-waving skeletons back into it, all the while screaming "Back into the fire, you undead abominations! Burn, burn, BUUURRN!!!"

I'll bet your DM hasn't read page 44 of the DMG.

Any takers on my bet?

"Targets of forced movement in hindering terrain (pits, precipices, fire) can avoid plunging into a pit or over the edge of a cliff or being pushed into a raging fire. The creature makes a saving throw rolled immediately before entering the unsafe square, with success leaving the creature prone...."

 

[DLichen]

Where are you guys reading that they get a saving throw against entering spell zones? The rule about forced movement only mentions pits and falls, and specifically leads to the falling damage section, which implies that this only pertains to a character catching the edge of the pit. I don't see how this extends to difficult terrain or spell zones, am I missing something?

EDIT: Posted before seeing post about DMG, I can see how this can arguably include zones from powers

 

[Nail]

It's pretty simple, actually. Embarrassingly simple, in fact.

So simple, the designers even thought of it! <gasp!>

Using forced movement to pull, push, or slide creatures onto ice, or into a pit, or into a cloud of daggers is a clever tactic."

 

[Nail]

I don't see how this extends to difficult terrain or spell zones, am I missing something?

Yep. Read my posts above, or DMG p 44.

 

[calypso15]

Where are you guys reading that they get a saving throw against entering spell zones? The rule about forced movement only mentions pits and falls, and specifically leads to the falling damage section, which implies that this only pertains to a character catching the edge of the pit. I don't see how this extends to difficult terrain or spell zones, am I missing something?

Do you not agree that a square full of fire is "unsafe"?

 

[Slaved]

Wall of Fire takes Three Extra Movement Points to enter. I think that this Extra Movement Cost would still have to be Paid during Forced Movement.

 

[Tale]

Do you not agree that a square full of fire is "unsafe"?

How much fire are we talking about, here? Because I've got this Tiefling, but he might be worried about his posessions.

 

[Obryn]

Wall of Fire takes Three Extra Movement Points to enter. I think that this Extra Movement Cost would still have to be Paid during Forced Movement.

Forced movement disregards all kinds of difficult terrain.

It would not take any extra squares of movement to push someone into a wall of fire. They would, however, get to save before entering the fire.

-O

 

[Regicide]

It would not take any extra squares of movement to push someone into a wall of fire. They would, however, get to save before entering the fire.

But, interestingly, no save if they simply don't want to move, to be, say, beside the 3 strikers of the party.

 

[Daniel D. Fox]

Whenever a creature may be forced into damaging terrain - including a spell zone - they get an immediate save to resist the movement. Success means they fall prone before entering the zone.

It may not work as well as you want it to.

-O

This. Plus, forced movement ignores difficult terrain.