D&D 5E 5e EPIC MONSTER UPDATES

[dave2008]

Could you also make stats for Rovagug? I mean, I know he hasn't been statted in the MM but he is a greater god (one of the greatest of them all) and pitting my lvl 40 players against him would be insane fun.

I'm not familiar with Rovagug, can you give me some info on it?

 

[dave2008]

Are those projects publicly available yet?

Not yet, but soon - end of June or first to July for part #1

 

[Thirteenspades]

I'm not familiar with Rovagug, can you give me some info on it?

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Basically he's the second most powerful god (in the Pathfinder Mythos at least) and his spawn includes tarrasque.

Rovagug - PathfinderWiki

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Rovagug

Imprisoned since the dawn of time, Rovagug (pronounced ROH-vah-gug)[1] seeks only to destroy creation and the gods. His increasingly restless stirrings are taken by many to be the cause of volcanic activity and earthquakes[2]. In a time so long ago that perhaps even the aboleth do not remember...

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Rovagug - Deities - Archives of Nethys: Pathfinder RPG Database

Rovagug

Rovagug is a Lovecraftian-like monster in the fictional universe of the Pathfinder pencil-and-paper roleplaying game by Paizo Inc. The Rovagug is a Qlippoth, the greatest of all the Qlippoths. Whom is feared and hated by the gods. He is imprisoned deep within Golarion since the Age of Creation...

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I'm thinking CR 60-70.

 

[dave2008]

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Basically he's the second most powerful god (in the Pathfinder Mythos at least) and his spawn includes tarrasque.

Rovagug - PathfinderWiki

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Rovagug

Imprisoned since the dawn of time, Rovagug (pronounced ROH-vah-gug)[1] seeks only to destroy creation and the gods. His increasingly restless stirrings are taken by many to be the cause of volcanic activity and earthquakes[2]. In a time so long ago that perhaps even the aboleth do not remember...

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Rovagug - Deities - Archives of Nethys: Pathfinder RPG Database

Rovagug

Rovagug is a Lovecraftian-like monster in the fictional universe of the Pathfinder pencil-and-paper roleplaying game by Paizo Inc. The Rovagug is a Qlippoth, the greatest of all the Qlippoths. Whom is feared and hated by the gods. He is imprisoned deep within Golarion since the Age of Creation...

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I'm thinking CR 60-70.

Ok, I remember it now (vaguely), l'll look into it maybe next month

 

[Matrix Sorcica]

Basically he's the second most powerful god

Who's the most powerful?

 

[Thirteenspades]

Who's the most powerful?

Pharasma

 

[NotAYakk]

So a problem with your chart is that by increasing the threat of CR 25 monsters without touching their CR/XP, you end up with the encounter building guidelines being broken.

If you take the DMG numbers, and take (HP)(DPR)(1+(AC+ATK-13)*.1), you get a value that is pretty close to a scalar multiple of XP for that CR. I forgot what the scalar was.

I'd advise you repeat this process on your new "super CR" epic monsters to fix up the XP values.

 

[Thirteenspades]

Who's the most powerful?

Pharasma

Pharasma

"The Lady of Graves", ( fah-RAZ-mah) is the goddess who shepherds Golarion's recently-departed souls to their final reward. Upon death, souls migrate to Pharasma's Boneyard in the Outer Sphere, which sits atop an impossibly tall spire that pierces the Astral Plane. Pharasma makes no decision on...

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[dave2008]

So a problem with your chart is that by increasing the threat of CR 25 monsters without touching their CR/XP, you end up with the encounter building guidelines being broken.

If you take the DMG numbers, and take (HP)(DPR)(1+(AC+ATK-13)*.1), you get a value that is pretty close to a scalar multiple of XP for that CR. I forgot what the scalar was.

I'd advise you repeat this process on your new "super CR" epic monsters to fix up the XP values.

I realize this; however, at the time I (and many others) was of the opinion that encounter guidelines didn't work at high levels / CRs anyway. They plan was to implement a new encounter building guideline as well.

However, I have abandon the approach taken in this thread and my 5e Hardcore Monster Manual thread. That is one reason I started the Mythic Monster Updates thread. I have ran a Kickstarter last year for Immortal rules: Ascension, the Codex of Immortals, which will be published early next month.

In the future, my "epic" monsters will use the standard DMG guidelines, mythic templates from Theros, or my custom "exalted" monster rules from Ascension. These stat blocks are a few years old at this point.

EDIT: If you read the OP, it explains that the assumption is that the encounter guidelines are wrong. If I remember correctly.

 

[dave2008]

Pharasma

"The Lady of Graves", ( fah-RAZ-mah) is the goddess who shepherds Golarion's recently-departed souls to their final reward. Upon death, souls migrate to Pharasma's Boneyard in the Outer Sphere, which sits atop an impossibly tall spire that pierces the Astral Plane. Pharasma makes no decision on...

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Based on the histories of the two I have a few thoughts / comments:

1. Rovagug would be more accurately described as a fiend or more likely a primordial than a god. Since it challenge many gods at once, I would be inclined to make it a primordial.
2. Given that Pharasma was one of many gods that challenged Rovagug, it seems that Rovagug was stronger. I also didn't see anything to suggest that Pharasma was even the strongest god. Why do you thing it is the "strongest" god?
3. Here domains are not typically those of the most powerful gods.
4. Neither them can touch Ahat-Hir