D&D 5E A different take on Alignment

[Maxperson]

Great, law is Order. So, why isn' the gang "The Sons of Anarchy" with their precisely planned criminal empire and strict code of honor a lawful group? They respect Order.

No idea. I've never seen the show. Some structure doesn't automatically place them into the category of order. If their goals and actions are to spread chaos, then some structure isn't going to overcome that. Specifically about that group, though, I have no clue.

 

[Chaosmancer]

Because order is a useful metric. Law and Chaos come from Moorcock and besides, Lawful Good sounds much better than Order Good.

Could you go ahead and answer the question you cut out?

"If it is about respecting title and structure why is a member of a Gang who respects the title "Don" and follows the rigid code of their gang Chaotic for enjoying wanton violence and arson?"

They enjoy wanton violence and arson against targets they are sent to by their Don. Are they Lawful for following the Order of the group? Chaotic for enjoying destruction? Are we back in Neutral territory again?

 

[Scribe]

Could you go ahead and answer the question you cut out?

"If it is about respecting title and structure why is a member of a Gang who respects the title "Don" and follows the rigid code of their gang Chaotic for enjoying wanton violence and arson?"

They enjoy wanton violence and arson against targets they are sent to by their Don. Are they Lawful for following the Order of the group? Chaotic for enjoying destruction? Are we back in Neutral territory again?

Any group that is bound by a code, structure, or hierarchy would fall under 'Lawful' on the Law vs Chaos scale.

A gang could be Chaotic. A crime family or organized mob like behavior? Lawful.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Law and Chaos come from Moorcock and besides, Lawful Good sounds much better than Order Good.

Primarily because when I dine out, I order well.

 

[Maxperson]

Could you go ahead and answer the question you cut out?

"If it is about respecting title and structure why is a member of a Gang who respects the title "Don" and follows the rigid code of their gang Chaotic for enjoying wanton violence and arson?"

Being lawful has nothing to do with respect. It's a belief system. If someone believes in order and structure, they are lawful. The Mafia is the classic example of Lawful Evil. And the Mafia would have shot a gang that just went around engaging in wanton violence and arson in the head for causing trouble and disrupting things. A gang member who believes in order and structure and follows the Don, would not also engage in wanton violence and arson.

Watch Good Fellas some time. Joe Pesci's character is CE and eventually gets offed by his compatriots for just that reason. No room for chaos in the Mafia.

 

[Maxperson]

Primarily because when I dine out, I order well.

Perhaps, but if you order your steaks well done, you sir are chaotic.................................and evil.

 

[payn]

But the point was, he was clearly Lawful before the laws changed. So if all Lawful -> Chaotic or Good -> Evil can tell us is how we appear in response to society... Then an LG person could only exist in an LG society, otherwise they are some variation of Neutral.


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Why cant a LG character live in any other alignment society?

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Perhaps, but if you order your steaks well done, you sir are chaotic.................................and evil.

I only order my steaks well done because that's how they perfectly pair with ketchup.

 

[Maxperson]

I only order my steaks well done because that's how they perfectly pair with ketchup.

Welcome to my ignore list! I can handle alignment threads. I can handle edition wars(not that I want to). I cannot abide that heresy.

(jk )

 

[payn]

If Pineapple on Pizza isnt good, I dont want to be.