Parmandur
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If anything, it was probably an unintended buff.Hopefully, they will fix Oath of Glory to give some advantage to grappling again. I feel it was a unintended side effect of the grapple rules changing than a direct nerf.
If anything, it was probably an unintended buff.Hopefully, they will fix Oath of Glory to give some advantage to grappling again. I feel it was a unintended side effect of the grapple rules changing than a direct nerf.
Wild magic isn't really Chaos magic from Limbo and has nothing to do with the planes or Slaad. It's just raw, unrefined magic.Yes, bit it is a parallelism with Wild Mage, and ties into unique WotC-owned IP. So it makes sense.
It's not an exact mirror, but it is a parallelism. And yeah, being popular (lole Celwstial Warlock, Gloomstalker Ranger, and Swashbuckler Rogue are) might be a major factor. If the Aberrant and Clockwork Sorcerers are very popular compared to other options, may as well include them, seems to me.Wild magic isn't really Chaos magic from Limbo and has nothing to do with the planes or Slaad. It's just raw, unrefined magic.
And I don't think IP is a factor. The GOO lock mentions Cthulhu and the barbarian Yggdrasil, neither of which are WotC IP. My honest guess is that both subs in Tasha's are finished and well liked (mostly due to the bonus spells) and WotC can't be tossed to fix the others. That's a "when we get around to the revised Everything book" problem I guess.
Just because it wasn't explicit, that doesn't mean it isn't an unintentional nerf to a subclass already on the weaker side. I think Crawford even said once in talking about that class that was the main point of that ability. Come on man, my point stands. They need to tweak a bunch of these subclasses, that one included. They don't all function as intended now with some rules changes.OK, they still can get advantage on Athletic checks. Grapple isn't spelled noun as a Subclass ability, and isn't a problem for compatability.
Yes, they can Channel Divnkty for advantages and bonuses on Arhletics checks. Whixh is still there and fully functional. Not related to Grapple explicitly.
The Subclass has been tweaked,and still has the ability to easily get Advantage on Athletics and Acrobatics checks. The point of that ability (not even the main Level 3 ability) is for skill challenge situations, not combat.Just because it wasn't explicit, that doesn't mean it isn't an unintentional nerf to a subclass already on the weaker side. I think Crawford even said once in talking about that class that was the main point of that ability. Come on man, my point stands. They need to tweak a bunch of these subclasses, that one included. They don't all function as intended now with some rules changes.
LOL for what? Skill Challenges, which isn't even a 5e rule?The Subclass has been tweaked,and still has the ability to easily get Advantage on Athletics and Acrobatics checks. The point of that ability (not even the main Level 3 ability) is for skill challenge situations, not combat.
This one has been updated, in packet 6. Not 4E style "Skill challenges", I mean things like foot races or discus throws: inexplicably an ability to allow the Hero Paladin to shine in Olympic style sports competitions. That's how that particular ability was sold in the original UA back in the day: it's probsvly a ribbon, a ribbon which still works as designed.LOL for what? Skill Challenges, which isn't even a 5e rule?
OK man, you don't think the subclasses need updating, that's fine. I do. I am betting I am not alone in that belief.
Yup, reviewing the packet 6 Paladin Subclasses, and "Peerless Athlete" is definitely a ribbon: the other three Clasees get 2 Features at Level 3, Oath Spells and a damage or HP based Channel Divinity ability. Oath of Glory gets both of those (bonus HP for Channel Divinity on a hit, Inspirimg Smite), and a third ability to get advantage on Skill checks and lift and jump better. No later Level ability has anything do with grappling, nor does the Tasha's/Theros version. This is a ribbon to allow this particular Subclass to excel at Athletic and Acrobatic Skilability for RP purposes, not a combat ability as with the Dance Bsrd or Brawler Fighter.LOL for what? Skill Challenges, which isn't even a 5e rule?
OK man, you don't think the subclasses need updating, that's fine. I do. I am betting I am not alone in that belief.
What subclass no longer works?Not really? Some are already not compatible due to other rules changes. Regardless a lot need updating.