Battlestar Galactica-Final Season (4) 4/11/08--Six of One

[Volaran]

Bloody Roslin! Man, she annoys me soooo much!!! Glad to see Adama found his balls again. It should be very interesting to see how Starbuck's mission pans out. I guess that Helo is going with her.

I like Roslin a lot in general, but I was very pleased that Starbuck and Adama both called her on the idea that anyone but her having 'visions' or 'miracles' relating to Earth being part of some Cylon plot.

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

I was really wishing that when Roslin again told Adama she would not let Starbuck lead them into a cylon ambush he would have pointed out that the cylons already had them dead to rights when Starbuck showed up, so the idea they stopped destroying the colonial fleet so they could lead them into an ambush to destroy the colonial fleet is a little convoluted.

 

[Mark Hope]

I was really wishing that when Roslin again told Adama she would not let Starbuck lead them into a cylon ambush he would have pointed out that the cylons already had them dead to rights when Starbuck showed up, so the idea they stopped destroying the colonial fleet so they could lead them into an ambush to destroy the colonial fleet is a little convoluted.

Exactly. I was ranting something like this at the screen when Roslin was making her rather silly point.

I like Roslin a lot in general, but I was very pleased that Starbuck and Adama both called her on the idea that anyone but her having 'visions' or 'miracles' relating to Earth being part of some Cylon plot.

I think that Roslin is a well-written character and it is a testament to the script and acting that I dislike that character so much . I enjoy having a believable character who I can freely despise for her attitudes and behaviour. She's like the polar opposite of Baltar - he is such a contemptible person, yet I love him to bits and get a real thrill every time he is on screen. Great stuff.

I'm just hoping that we don't get a sudden run of episodes like #13-#16 in season three ("Taking a Break" through to "Dirty Hands".) Those were fine episodes as stand-alones, but they completely killed the momentum of the season, draining it of its tension when it should have been cranking ever higher. To my mind, if they were going to include those episodes, they should have been scattered throughout the series, not lumped together in a bunch after the awsome arc that ran from "Exodus" through to "Rapture".

Anyway, bit of a tangent. Just hoping that they've learned from that and keep the tension and main plots all on target from now on. It's the last season, after all. Don't want it screwed up!

 

[LightPhoenix]

Okay, so I'm not a huge fan of most of the episodes that Michael Angeli wrote. So I was a bit surprised that I liked this episode as much as I did.

Baltar seeing Head Baltar was a stroke of genius, and it helps that James Callis played it so well. I find it interesting that he appears when Baltar is with one of the Final Five. Maybe Tricia didn't want to keep changing wigs.

I find it amusing that the Cavils are ones. It seems to me like they are being overprotective older siblings, so it made perfect sense. Of course, the rampant egotism of the Cavils helps too.

The meeting between the Final Four was odd, especially Tigh. I'm not sure if it was the actor or the directing, but the way he delivered his lines was funny. That said, Tigh is completely regressing back into the Resistance-leader role.

I didn't like how Tory was written in this episode. She's supposed to be strong and aggressive, in counterpoint to Billy, and representative of a harder-edged Roslin. To me, Angeli totally missed the whole point of the character.

It's the same issue I have with Roslin. Yes, Roslin is incredibly anti-Cylon - but she's also not dumb. Like others have said, I don't believe that Roslin would blatantly be so obtuse.

As an aside about these two - I like that Tory is a Cylon. Roslin's aide, be it Billy or Tory, is a representation of who she is and how she acts. Billy was a true human, Roslin was a humanist. Tory was aggresive, Roslin was more hard-edged. Now, Tory is a Cylon and Roslin is acting cold and heartless.

Finally, I know the Cylons are supposed to represent a growing culture. I don't get why Boomer siding to lobotomize the Raiders was such a big deal, or why it swayed the vote. Okay, one specific Number Eight voted to do it - that's an anomaly, not a rule. It's even the model they already tried to box. Gah. It made no sense to me.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Finally, I know the Cylons are supposed to represent a growing culture. I don't get why Boomer siding to lobotomize the Raiders was such a big deal, or why it swayed the vote. Okay, one specific Number Eight voted to do it - that's an anomaly, not a rule. It's even the model they already tried to box. Gah. It made no sense to me.

Its possible there's an equal number of each of the models. So if ONE votes out of their model like Boomer did, it tips the vote.

i.e. every Cylon gets an individual vote, they just always vote with their model so it doesn't matter usually.

 

[ThirdWizard]

Its possible there's an equal number of each of the models. So if ONE votes out of their model like Boomer did, it tips the vote.

I'd say its practically a certainty.

 

[stonegod]

I'd say its practically a certainty.

Which means the Sixes should have lost w/o Boomer: The Sixes and Eights are down two collective: Caprica Six and Athena are on the Galactica, putting them down two votes already. Unless there is two of the pro-lobotomize models still floating around the fleet.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Which means the Sixes should have lost w/o Boomer: The Sixes and Eights are down two collective: Caprica Six and Athena are on the Galactica, putting them down two votes already. Unless there is two of the pro-lobotomize models still floating around the fleet.

Yeah, its gets complicated but its honestly the only way I can rationalize Boomer breaking with her model and tipping the vote.

 

[LightPhoenix]

Yeah, its gets complicated but its honestly the only way I can rationalize Boomer breaking with her model and tipping the vote.

It was the first thing that crossed my mind as well.

I actually liked the twist - what are Boomer's motives, really? Does she really want to defend the Cylons or weaken them by taking away something that makes the Raiders useful (ie, Scar)? Plus, it led to rediculously awesome scene with the Centurions later.

I just don't think it was written well. After all, it needs rationalization to make it work, which means it was sloppy and ill thought out.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

I liked this episode.

The flow of events and decisions seemed... natural to me. I really expected that somehow, Starbuck would end up with her own ship to search Earth. I was half-way expecting she'd have to use force (like taking Roslyn hostage and steal a raptor), but this way works a lot better.

The cylon civil was in some ways highlighted way before, with the Cylons having different opinions on certain, important topics (kill all humans, or do we try to reconcile? Does Earth finding now matter?). The Raider issue seemed like a natural point.

So, it appears as if the new Centurions are artificially dumbed down, and have the same capabilities as the original Centurions. And Raiders are actually more then just cylon animals...

Does anyone have a transcript of the Basestar Cylon (what is she called again?) words? I wonder how much of the episode or possibly the seasons content might be hidden in there...