BattleStar Galactica:Season 3.0--10/06/06--Arc 1

[Spatula]

I am also siding with Saul Tigh. Do whatever it takes to win – winnng is the only goal, ethic, moral or value. The difference between sending a man to his death in a uniform and sending a man to his death in his civies are semantic.

While that's certainly true, the show misses the point - suicide missions aren't the issue, it's the collatoral damage inflicted by indiscriminate bombing. Tigh was apparently planning on hitting a market, which would have killed how many innocent people? In any case, it seems a poor tactic for a people whose numbers are dwindling.

 

[Olgar Shiverstone]

I'm wondering if there is more behind the suicide bombing issue. The cylons seem terrified by it, even though they aren't affected except by the inconvenience of downloading. Perhaps there is another cylon secret hidden there?

And given the time that has passed in the show, there is no way that kid could be Starbucks. Lessee -- year/18months since the escape from Caprica, 9 months in utero ...

I hope they get through the rescue mission, get the fleet on the move, and back to "Core BSG" quick. I want to see Vipers and Raiders mixing it up again.

 

[DonTadow]

I really liked the show and it deserved the two hours. The pacing was real nice. One hour of show would have just thrown too much at the viewer at once.

The suicide bombings were a very serious nice touch. The plans for them was infastructure. The humans are getting most of their food rationed out, knocking out the market would be a big blow to the cylons. Though I do agree that is stepping over the line. I thinkat that point though one eyed jack was obsessed with revenging his eye.

I'm not a fan of the starbuck/baby angle. Didnt she have a baby at the end of last season or wasn't she pregnant, cna't remember. In any case I just dont buy starbuck buying this baby thing. But then again. She has to realize that the kid's part toaster oven.

I"m not surewhat is so absurd about taking a woman's eggs, fertilzing them and putting them in another woman??? I must admit some of the critisisms for the show sound silly. That procedure happens 100 times a day in our society. Heck for all we know they could have done that last week with the cylons technology. Create a body from starbucks dna and download the girl to it.

 

[wingsandsword]

How so? Maybe I missed that...

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The previews showed scenes of Roslin in the coming season. Last we saw, she was rounded up for execution with a hundred other colonists, surrounded by centurions, and we hear gunfire. It sounds like they got fired on by the centurions, but I'm wondering if the police (or just Jammer) finally turned on the Centurions, or if the Resistance was trying to rescue them.
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[maggot]

I"m not surewhat is so absurd about taking a woman's eggs, fertilzing them and putting them in another woman??? I must admit some of the critisisms for the show sound silly. That procedure happens 100 times a day in our society. Heck for all we know they could have done that last week with the cylons technology. Create a body from starbucks dna and download the girl to it.

I think it is absurd because (1) why is Starbuck so important they didn't use the other woman's eggs, (2) if they have Starbuck's eggs, why do they need her to mate with the cylon dude, (3) the girl looks way too old for the time line [compare with Boomer's baby that was conceived before hand], (4) Starbuck is supposed to fall in love with a cylon [a race that nearly nuked humanity out of existence] and not just any cylon, but one that has effectively raped her. (Oh, and I keep thinking of X-Files and the mini-series V and countless other shows whenever I watch this part.)

I hope this is all a cylon ploy. That the kid is a pure cylon, that the cylon "father" threw her down the stairs while Starbuck wasn't looking, that the cylons are stupid about human emotions enough to believe their plan will work, and that Starbuck isn't falling for a toaster. Either all that, or this story line disappears quite quickly.

As for the suicide bombings, the toasters are scared by them, so Tigh increases them. He does have a plan and he states what it is: distract the cylons on the ground so Galactica can rule the air.

I hope Tigh's wife gets what is coming to her.

 

[wingsandsword]

The whole thing with a child by Starbuck isn't some new plot twist, they've been hinting and laying the foundation for it ever since early 2nd season with the episode "The Farm", and since the first season with the Six in Baltar's head implying that the Cylons wanted such a hybrid. It doesn't just have to be Starbuck, we saw an entire breeding facility, which Starbuck sabotaged on the way out, but it was established that they'd already harvested an ovary from her. That they've produced a child and introduced it to her is new, but this isn't out of nowhere, it's been coming for about a season now.

As for why the cylons want to do it, Boomer explained it quite clearly: "Procreation is one of God's commandments". Bio-Cylons apparently cannot sexually reproduce, they apparently have to be cloned/engineered, but they can reproduce with humans (with a very low fertility rate apparently, from what has been implied so far), so they see mating with humans as a religious imperative.

I see the next episode as being one where a lot of characters get what's coming to them. Baltar may well either end up like Original Series Baltar in a Cylon capitol ship following the fleet or on the Astral Queen as a prisoner (especially amusing since the Astral Queen is now run by Zarek). Definitely be interesting to see how the Colonials treat Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Agathon, now that she's got her prior rank and billet back, and everybody knows who she is. However, it was an interesting choice for Adama to send her, since she's a perfect infiltrator, she can blend in with the Cylon presence seamlessly. I'm also wondering if they will sacrifice Pegasus to let the humans escape.

As for the suicide bombings, I think it's partly that Tigh's plan to disrupt them working, and I think part of it is that they didn't think humans would go to those lengths, and the very concept of it is disturbing to them.

One thing I realized watching this last night, I don't think any sci-fi TV show, certainly none from the US, would have had the backbone to do an episode where the protagonists are suicide bombers. I think back to people who say they watch Galactica because it's the best sci-fi on TV, and since Star Trek lost it's nerve, and I realize Trek would have never had the nerve to do an episode anything like this.

 

[LightPhoenix]

My problem is the genetics. Can 2000 people offer enough genetic diversity to save the human race? 40,000 was questionable enough, but 2000 is really pushing it.

Actually, two thousand is a pretty good sample group. Negative consequences due to the expression of recessive genes through related-mating isn't nearly as big an issue genetically as it is purported to be. Common ancestors past grandparents don't really make a difference, and cousin-of-a-cousin, whatever that's called, doesn't make a difference either.

Genetic diversity isn't what they should be worrying about anyway. The problem is finding a place safe enough to procreate long enough to build that number up. You don't go from two to twenty thousand overnight, or even in two generations, normally.

 

[The Grumpy Celt]

The problem is finding a place safe enough to procreate long enough to build that number up...

The issue is more about dealing with the Cylons than it is about finding Earth. The Cylons are obsessed with the humans, killing them or controling them. The Cylons will never stop hounding humanity. So for humanity to recover, the Cylons will have to be stopped, one way or another.

 

[andargor]

One thing I realized watching this last night, I don't think any sci-fi TV show, certainly none from the US, would have had the backbone to do an episode where the protagonists are suicide bombers. I think back to people who say they watch Galactica because it's the best sci-fi on TV, and since Star Trek lost it's nerve, and I realize Trek would have never had the nerve to do an episode anything like this.

I was thinking the same. Although I don't like some of the directions the show is going, it is certainly breaking new grounds in sci-fi: a gritty, sometimes gruesome, experience.

Can't help thinking about 24 as the analogy in mainstream TV, which has its share of stomach turners.

 

[Banshee16]

The issue is more about dealing with the Cylons than it is about finding Earth. The Cylons are obsessed with the humans, killing them or controling them. The Cylons will never stop hounding humanity. So for humanity to recover, the Cylons will have to be stopped, one way or another.

They need to find Wil Smith to infect them with a deadly computer virus....that should do the trick..

Banshee