BattleStar Galactica:Season 3.0--10/06/06--Arc 1

[DM_Matt]

Did I really hear Adama administer the oath of Lt. Sharon AGATHON. Did he not only validate the possibility of a Cylon serving in the colonial military, but the validity of Human-Cylon marriages?

...or did I just mishear.

 

[TwistedBishop]

Did I really hear Adama administer the oath of Lt. Sharon AGATHON. Did he not only validate the possibility of a Cylon serving in the colonial military, but the validity of Human-Cylon marriages?

...or did I just mishear.

He *did* say Agathon.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

This alone is reason enough for the suicide bombings to be a bad idea. Every time Tigh has been put in a position to make a decision, it's always the wrong one. Remember when he was in command when Adama was shot? How many mistakes did he make then? Offhand, I can think of: Ordered a jump that seperated the fleet, declares martial law, clamps down on the press, and orders Marines to take control of any civilian ship that doesn't like his orders (which results in civilians being killed).

If Tigh says to turn right, you'd better go left.

He fared perfectly well against the Centurions in Galactica. And his decision to open to vent the ship to safe it also seemed correct.
The jump that seperated the fleet was not his mistake. It was Gaetas fault, it was his duty to update the coordinates.
But Tigh definitely was not a good Commander for the long-time survival of the fleet. But I am not certain that is also the case for his work in the Resistance. I think he would probably fare well leading the Resistance (as well as such a hopeless thing can fare well), but if they ever won, he needs to get out of Command as quickly as possible.

 

[LightPhoenix]

Which is why Tigh is the most adamant person of the resistance that Adama is going to come back. Tigh needs Adama to come back, because Tigh's the kind of guy you want as your XO, and he knows it.

Of course, on the contrary, during Adama's downtime last season, when you really look at things, a lot of his insecurity and idiocy came from Helen. For example, Tigh was seriously considering meeting with the captains and leaders - it was Helen that pushed him to institute marshal law. We have good reason to understand Adama's hesitance to let Saul know she was alive.

Another interesting thing was mentioned in the podcast, was that in early drafts, Tigh/Anders/Tyrol weren't killing Cylons, they were kidnapping them and leaving them alive and bound in a pit so they couldn't download. I actually wish they had played with that a little more, because all three know Cylons download into new bodies, so it kind of paints them all a little stupid.

That said, I understand the suicide bombing completely, because the targets weren't Cylons, they were Baltar and the NCP - all humans. It's clear from the episodes that the Resistance is having problems with informants, and even without Baltar there, it sent a message that if you choose to work with them, you'll be considered as culpable. Killing Baltar is a symbolic thing only... I don't think the Resistance realizes he's basically a puppet who has no choice right now.

Finally, based on these episodes, and especially the second... I'm putting my marker down for the second named death (first being Duck) of the season to be Gaeta, going out in a blaze of glory in some way, shape, or form.

 

[sckeener]

Sure, that part is fine. It's when she then (apparently) hands the insurgent's meeting plans (with the Galactica folks) over to the Cylons that she decides to sacrifice a bunch of people to keep Tigh out of prison. And that's where she completely falls into bad guy department.

Exactly. She crossed the line when started to betray the resistance. I think if Tigh ever finds out that it will be the last straw in their marriage. I think he could ignore the fact that she slept with most of the fleet before the war. After all it only affected him and he loved her. It is the betraying of all of humanity and him personally that will cross the line. It'll be a combo of all the past slights against him combined with betraying everything he was working towards.

I am still wondering if she is a cylon similiar to Caprica Six and only realized how much she loved Tigh after the occupation. If she is a Cylon, her sleeping with them isn't an issue (beyond the cheatin on Tigh) and her betraying the resistance is more understandable as she would have extremely divided loyalties. If she is human, then she slept with the enemy, cheated on Tigh, betrayed her husband's work, betrayed many of her husband's friends, and betrayed humanity.

It is nice to see that Zerek is more loyal than her.....

 

[qstor]

As for myself, I was quite enthralled, though I do agree that it could easily have been condensed into one hour.

I think the two hours were enough. It was great. I've been a big fan of the series since the beginning.

Mike

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Exactly. She crossed the line when started to betray the resistance. I think if Tigh ever finds out that it will be the last straw in their marriage. I think he could ignore the fact that she slept with most of the fleet before the war. After all it only affected him and he loved her. It is the betraying of all of humanity and him personally that will cross the line. It'll be a combo of all the past slights against him combined with betraying everything he was working towards.

I am still wondering if she is a cylon similiar to Caprica Six and only realized how much she loved Tigh after the occupation. If she is a Cylon, her sleeping with them isn't an issue (beyond the cheatin on Tigh) and her betraying the resistance is more understandable as she would have extremely divided loyalties. If she is human, then she slept with the enemy, cheated on Tigh, betrayed her husband's work, betrayed many of her husband's friends, and betrayed humanity.

It is nice to see that Zerek is more loyal than her.....

Well, she doesn't want Tigh killed. I would suspect the two to clash, but she is doing it because she cares about Tigh. It is certainly also egoistical from her, but it's perfectly understandable. Figuratively speaking, the Cylons are helding Tigh hostage so that Helen helps them. If you keep this image in mind, you see that Helen isn't so different from the heroes of dozens of movie or series plots. The only difference is that we (or at least I) don't like her.

 

[DM_Matt]

Well, she doesn't want Tigh killed. I would suspect the two to clash, but she is doing it because she cares about Tigh. It is certainly also egoistical from her, but it's perfectly understandable. Figuratively speaking, the Cylons are helding Tigh hostage so that Helen helps them. If you keep this image in mind, you see that Helen isn't so different from the heroes of dozens of movie or series plots. The only difference is that we (or at least I) don't like her.

Well, it seems her choices were "Cylons kill/arrest Tigh now" or "Cylons kill/arrest Tigh and the rest of the leaders of humanity in a couple days."

 

[sckeener]

Well, it seems her choices were "Cylons kill/arrest Tigh now" or "Cylons kill/arrest Tigh and the rest of the leaders of humanity in a couple days."

Yeah those were her choices, but she also had another, confess to Tigh. If she had told him, the resistance might have been able to use leaking of info to their advantage. Her ego got in the way and in her mind there was only one solution.

I see very little difference between her and Gauis....ok one difference, Gauis has a brain.

I like Gauis. I am not sure why I don't like her. I think it might be sterotypes. It might be the acting. It might be the booze.....definitely they have made an attempt to make Gauis likable that they haven't done with her.

 

[LostSoul]

I hate Saul's wife ...

I hate her too.

But she is an awesome character.