Dragonlance Building a Dragonlance character, according to DDB.

[Ralif Redhammer]

Yeah, updating gully dwarves, while it could be done, probably wouldn't have had a big ROI.

No gully dwarves is interesting. I wonder if WotC decided unwinding that mess was all too hard and simply glossed over their existence 'rumours circulate of another dwarven people in lands far from here, but no details are known.'

I still want to play a reborn barbarian Knight of Solamnia though...

 

[DarkCrisis]

"A few hundred years ago, the ruler of one of Krynn's foremost nations wanted to become a god so that they might forever rule the land in the name of "good." The gods weren't too keen on that, so—pragmatic as gods often are— they dropped a fiery mountain on the continent as sort of a preemptive strike. Unfortunately, this act was just short of an extinction event for the people of Krynn, "

- Complete makes the gods look like total jerks. It wasn't just ONE man or nation. Almost everyone was taking the gods for granted. Everyone was being punished. Completely leaves the door open for clerics after the Cataclysm. Awful change. How do they even explain the Blue Crystal Staff and it showing the gods never left, people just had to be humble again and look for them? Instead the gods messed up and humanity turned away from them except maybe a few. Which makes it sound like it's 100% on the gods to make amends. Terrible.

- Solomnic Knights come off more as The Harpers now. The Code and The Measure seem to have gone right out the window. Sir Loin: "I am a backstabbing thief... for Huma!" Sturm Brightblade rolls over in his grave.

-Towers seem fine IMO. More or less. Same with Dwarves. Lack of Gully isn't surprising.

"Kagonesti wood elves descended from elves that departed the lands of Silvanesti and sought a more harmonious relationship with nature. Unfortunately, this departure from the Silvanesti ways has been made a little bit awkward by the Silvanesti showing up on their doorstep, hoping to crash on their couch until they can sort out the situation in their homeland."

-You know, show up and ENSLAVE them. Same difference.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

"A few hundred years ago, the ruler of one of Krynn's foremost nations wanted to become a god so that they might forever rule the land in the name of "good." The gods weren't too keen on that, so—pragmatic as gods often are— they dropped a fiery mountain on the continent as sort of a preemptive strike. Unfortunately, this act was just short of an extinction event for the people of Krynn, "

- Complete makes the gods look like total jerks. It wasn't just ONE man or nation. Almost everyone was taking the gods for granted. Everyone was being punished. Completely leaves the door open for clerics after the Cataclysm. Awful change. How do they even explain the Blue Crystal Staff and it showing the gods never left, people just had to be humble again and look for them? Instead the gods messed up and humanity turned away from them except maybe a few. Which makes it sound like it's 100% on the gods to make amends. Terrible.

This is not a change, it's what happened. And in case you're forgetting this is just a short version being repeated for an interview, not the whole thing from the book. Abridged versions of the story say more or less the same thing in earlier versions.

- Solomnic Knights come off more as The Harpers now. The Code and The Measure seem to have gone right out the window. Sir Loin: "I am a backstabbing thief... for Huma!" Sturm Brightblade rolls over in his grave.

The Code and Measure are explicitly stated to still be a thing.

 

[DarkCrisis]

This is not a change, it's what happened. And in case you're forgetting this is just a short version being repeated for an interview, not the whole thing from the book. Abridged versions of the story say more or less the same thing in earlier versions.


The Code and Measure are explicitly stated to still be a thing.

The way the description is places it 100% on the gods "messing up". The whole world getting ravaged was on purpose. One man and one nation wasn't the only problem. The majority of the population was taking the gods for granted. Demanding instead of asking for answered prayers. What is written in the article is not "how it happened".

 

[MonsterEnvy]

The way the description is places it 100% on the gods "messing up". The whole world getting ravaged was on purpose. One man and one nation wasn't the only problem. The majority of the population was taking the gods for granted. Demanding instead of asking for answered prayers. What is written in the article is not "how it happened".

Lots of people feel the gods were too harsh, in and out of universe. And the King Priest was the big problem the Cataclysm would not have happened if not for him. The rest of the world taking the gods for granted and such is a minor detail.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

The majority of the population was taking the gods for granted.

"The majority" of people being bad doesn't excuse an extinction event that kills innocents. The "good" gods of Dragonlance have always been "jerks" (a.k.a. genocidal maniacs). The Cataclysm was always an overly extreme response. If 51% of the population of a country was evil, we would not be justified in nuking the entire country, because 49% of the country would be innocent. Killing innocent people is bad.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

"The majority" of people being bad doesn't excuse an extinction event that kills innocents. The "good" gods of Dragonlance have always been "jerks" (a.k.a. genocidal maniacs). The Cataclysm was always an overly extreme response. If 51% of the population of a country was evil, we would not be justified in nuking the entire country, because 49% of the country would be innocent. Killing innocent people is bad.

The Neutral and Evil Gods were also involved, so it’s not squarely on the good gods.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

The Neutral and Evil Gods were also involved, so it’s not squarely on the good gods.

But the good gods were also involved. If they were involved in an evil act, they're still at fault, even if they're not wholly to blame.

 

[DarkCrisis]

"The majority" of people being bad doesn't excuse an extinction event that kills innocents. The "good" gods of Dragonlance have always been "jerks" (a.k.a. genocidal maniacs). The Cataclysm was always an overly extreme response. If 51% of the population of a country was evil, we would not be justified in nuking the entire country, because 49% of the country would be innocent. Killing innocent people is bad.

While no percentages are ever listed it’s just said that the majority of the world had “gone bad”.

The DDB description makes it sound like the gods didn’t fully consider their actions and in a fit to punish one country ended up harming others ACCIDENTLY. Oops our bad.

As opposed to the original story where “the whole world was being punished on purpose because they were all mostly at fault.”

See the difference?

And since we can’t bring real world religious stories into this that this bit of fiction clearly “homaged” it’s not really worth talking about.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

The DDB description makes it sound like the gods didn’t fully consider their actions and in a fit to punish one country ended up harming others ACCIDENTLY. Oops our bad.

As opposed to the original story where “the whole world was being punished on purpose because they were all mostly at fault.”

"Mostly" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Unless 100% of everyone there was evil and working to ruin the world, then genocide was not an appropriate response.