D&D 5E Can you use dueling and TWF at the same time? I think you can RAW.

Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
But there's room for one imagined interpretation?
There is, but if you interpret the fiction in a particular way that doesn’t match with what the rules say, and you prioritize that interpretation over the text, “common sense” is really the only justification you have for your interpretation.
 

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Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
Indeed. Especially since the trope of the swordsman opening a fight by nailing one bad guy with a thrown knife (or pistol shot, for a musketeer) then leaping into the fray with flashing blade is well-established in swashbuckling fiction and media.
Agreed. There’s really nothing wrong with this tactic thematically or mechanically and it’s not even particularly strong from an optimization standpoint so I see no reason at all not to allow it.
 



ECMO3

Hero
Yeah if you want to keep throwing weapons away. At some point you're going to need a magic weapon, and I don't see wanting to throw those away. But this whole build is better off with a hand crossbow and Crossbow Expert anyways; Archery Style is superior.
You would need to give up a feat for this, give up AOOs and you would do very little extra damage on your turn.

At 4th level comparing ASI to CBE:
Dex ASI: 1d4+1d6+4Dex+2Dueling = 12 DPR

CBE: 2d6+6Dex = 13DPR

You have a 5% greater chance to hit, which will increase damage by a little over half a point per turn beyond this.

When you count this against lost AOOs and turns where you use a different bonus action, I think you will actually be behind.

The character I am talking about is going to be a Assassin-Conquest Paladin multiclass so he will have numerous bonus actions available between cunning action, steady aim, Paladin spells and Hex.
 

James Gasik

Legend
You would need to give up a feat for this, give up AOOs and you would do very little extra damage on your turn.

At 4th level comparing ASI to CBE:
Dex ASI: 1d4+1d6+4Dex+2Dueling = 12 DPR

CBE: 2d6+6Dex = 13DPR

You have a 5% greater chance to hit, which will increase damage by a little over half a point per turn beyond this.

When you count this against lost AOOs and turns where you use a different bonus action, I think you will actually be behind.

The character I am talking about is going to be a Assassin-Conquest Paladin multiclass so he will have numerous bonus actions available between cunning action, steady aim, Paladin spells and Hex.
Treantmonk recently did a video on this topic, where he got a 20th level Ranger/Rogue/Fighter (I believe) to something like 244 damage using crossbows.

 

ECMO3

Hero
Treantmonk recently did a video on this topic, where he got a 20th level Ranger/Rogue/Fighter (I believe) to something like 244 damage using crossbows.


Yeah I watched that. That is a completely different character build though. As a Paladin-Rogue Archery isn't even available, nor really desireable since crossbows do not work with smites.
 

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