Changeover Poll

[S'mon]

You imply I mean insult to you and others.
I do not mean to insult anyone.

Nor do I intend to be condescending, to you or others.
If I come off that way, my apologies.

No, I don't think you mean to be insulting or condescending. I'm just asking you to accept feedback - I, and I think most people, really cannot discern anything humorous in those ECM essays you posted. Please be aware of this difference in our perspectives.

Conversely, this poll has I think provided useful factual information, because of the large number of respondents, and that has been due to you plugging away and keeping this thread active for so long. Thank you for doing that.

 

[Edena_of_Neith]

No, I don't think you mean to be insulting or condescending. I'm just asking you to accept feedback - I, and I think most people, really cannot discern anything humorous in those ECM essays you posted. Please be aware of this difference in our perspectives.

Conversely, this poll has I think provided useful factual information, because of the large number of respondents, and that has been due to you plugging away and keeping this thread active for so long. Thank you for doing that.

Thank you for the compliment, S'mon. Cheers to you, sir.

I really do believe, that the increased number of voters in this poll means something - something good.
The 1st Changeover Poll netted 990 votes. This one has 1078 votes, and counting, and in far less time to get to that number of votes than the first time around.

I believe (just me) that this means an increase in interest in the game.
I think *that's* a good thing.

 

[Jack99]

Now, that enthusiasm is gone. Star Fleet Battles is gone. Dragon Magazine is gone. Dungeon Magazine is gone.
And there is a VERY real chance that Dungeons and Dragons is going to be gone. That Hasbro is going to lock it away, and keep the copyrights. And that, in these grim times, all the successor games will collapse (Pathfinder included.) And then there will be no more Hobby.

Dragon magazine and Dungeon magazine are still there. In fact, they are better than they have been for years. Sure, the format may not appeal to you, but that's fairly irrelevant. They are still there!

Also, what do you base this "real chance that D&D will be gone" on? Do you have insider information we do not have? Do you have an education and some real statistics that enables you to make such a claim?

Because, and you may not realize this, D&D will never be gone. That's why people still play OD&D, 1e, 2e, 3.x aside from 4e. Even if Hasbro locked D&D far and away, we would still have our books! That's right, no ninjas will come and steal your books.

The OGL and general weak laws regarding copyright and games would ensure that just about anything for D&D could still be produced by those willing, because, let's face it. 5 million people just won't stop loving and playing D&D because Hasbro decides that it's not worth it anymore. So if they close shop, you can be sure that others will take over.

 

[Darrin Drader]

Buncha stuff

I suspect that the time has come to talk about pirates as they relate to the RPGA and one 164th level cleric.

 

[Renfield]

Bought the books, tried it, my players hate it I'm about 85% against it but there's 15% that wouldn't mind running a game or two sort of how people run miniature battles and so on. I don't think it's worth investing the time of a full 1-30 campaign or anything. But we're pretty much sticking with Pathfinder until I find the time and people interested in trying it on the side so I chose 'played it and went back to previous edition'.

 

[Renfield]

Dragon magazine and Dungeon magazine are still there. In fact, they are better than they have been for years. Sure, the format may not appeal to you, but that's fairly irrelevant. They are still there!

Hmmm, I'll have to disagree with you on that statement, they are no where near better than they have been in years. I honestly think their best run was with Paizo. Though I will admit I didn't read any from OD&D and I stopped reading them after they were no longer free. If their quality increased x10 since Wizards started charging then I've little faith in the statement that they're better than they've been in years.

But then it all really comes down to opinion doesn't it.

 

[Jack99]

Hmmm, I'll have to disagree with you on that statement, they are no where near better than they have been in years. I honestly think their best run was with Paizo. Though I will admit I didn't read any from OD&D and I stopped reading them after they were no longer free. If their quality increased x10 since Wizards started charging then I've little faith in the statement that they're better than they've been in years.

But then it all really comes down to opinion doesn't it.

Quality or not (I guess that's pretty subjective, so let's agree to disagree), they still exist. Will you agree on that at least? If you do, then saying that they no longer exist is flat out wrong (which was what I was commenting on).

Cheers

 

[Jeff Wilder]

saying that they no longer exist is flat out wrong (which was what I was commenting on).

It's not wrong. Something can change forms, keep the same name (and even the same premise), and yet no longer exist.

Is it wrong to say that "Knight Rider" no longer exists? I don't believe that's a "flat out wrong" statement, and yet there's a show on called "Knight Rider." (Providing, incidentally, yet more proof against the existence of a benevolent God.)

I'm with the other guy: Dragon and Dungeon no longer exist.

 

[Jack99]

It's not wrong. Something can change forms, keep the same name (and even the same premise), and yet no longer exist.

Is it wrong to say that "Knight Rider" no longer exists? I don't believe that's a "flat out wrong" statement, and yet there's a show on called "Knight Rider." (Providing, incidentally, yet more proof against the existence of a benevolent God.)

I'm with the other guy: Dragon and Dungeon no longer exist.

Something can't "not exist no longer" just because you do not like the edition. Things just do not work that way. Now you are like Tetsubo who says that 3.5 was the last edition of D&D. Again, things do not work like that.
No matter how much you hate 4e and Dragon and Dungeon as they are now, they are still there, they are still Dragon and Dungeon, providing us with fluff and crunch and all the other stuff for our weekly game, and hey, wouldn't you know, they are still D&D.

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

I believe (just me) that this means an increase in interest in the game.

I believe it means an increased interest in your poll.

I didn't vote the first time.