Changeover Poll

Changeover Poll

  • Complete Changeover: All 4E played now, no earlier editions of D&D

    Votes: 193 32.2%
  • Largely over: Mostly 4E played now, some earlier edition play

    Votes: 56 9.3%
  • Half over: Half 4E played now, half earlier edition play

    Votes: 32 5.3%
  • Partial Changeover: Some 4E played now, mostly earlier edition play

    Votes: 18 3.0%
  • Slight Changeover: A little 4E played now, mostly earlier edition play

    Votes: 21 3.5%
  • No Change: Tried 4E, went back to earlier edition play

    Votes: 114 19.0%
  • No Change: Never tried 4E, all earlier edition play

    Votes: 165 27.5%

Originally Posted by Zustiur View Post
I'm probably not a good example of the average ENworlder, but I totally failed to see the relevance, or the humour in your tale. I thought this was a thread about D&D, and I keep finding all these random posts about Star Trek... I just don't get it. I nearly complained (in thread) last time there was a series of posts about it, but chose to let the matter drop. This time I couldn't stop myself.

(ANGER)

Changeover: 33%
No Changeover: 58%
Partial Changeover: 9%
Option 6: 9%

It has become an established thing that two opposed camps, enjoying mutual antipathy (or far worse), exist, between those who play 4E and those who play earlier editions.
This nice little set of affairs was created by the behavior of Hasbro, which said: You shall play it out way, or you are out of the Hobby. Our way, is the only way, and if you do not like that, leave!
This fed a wellspring of anger and hatred that led to a Flame War, which has destroyed friendships, wrecked messageboards, and hurt us all. Hasbro? They couldn't care less, it would appear.

Well, the 4E camp gained 1% this last time around, and the 3E camp lost 1%.
I suppose this will make the 4E camp very happy, and take that! 3Ers.
I mean, after all, aren't the 4Eers saying your older edition stinks, and that it should be relegated to the dust bin of history? Isn't Hasbro saying that, too? And now, they have an extra 1% on you to prove their case.
Of course, as the results from RPGnet show, if they are right, YOU are relics of a by-gone time, Old Hands from another era, and perhaps you should be relegated to the dust bin of history too. They seem to think ENWorld is full of relics like you, that ENWorld stands alone in this, that you are passé and when you are gone, things will be better.
Why do I say this? Because they've said all this, over and over and over (and implied it even more.)
I don't think that way, but they do, and they will be very happy to have that extra 1%. More power to them, and all the worst for you.

Meanwhile, a large group of people who were trying to have something called 'fun' were caught in the middle. Trying 4E, they found it was no fun, and either left the Hobby, left D&D, or went back to earlier editions, for which they have no official support (which they deserve, but they won't get, and the 4E people seem to agree they shouldn't get any support. How dare they ask for support? What have they done, to deserve support, the wretches?)

And there are a few people, titanically struggling, who play all the editions, despite the fact that everyone is denouncing them, everyone is trying to tell them what edition they HAVE to play, what edition is good for them, what form of thinking is right and which form of thinking is incorrect, and perfectly willing to flame them, bash them, denounce them, for not toeing the party line (or someone else's line, or whoever's line.)

All of this, of course, is extremely appealing to the Young.
The Young really enjoy watching older people fight and hate, turning our Hobby into one giant Edition War, turn our messageboards into bloodbaths, turn fun into anger, turn fantasy into despair, turn a good time into wreckage.
Why, the Young enjoy this so much, that few indeed are willing to come into the Hobby. Even if they had no other options, they would not come (would you, if you were a 16 year old? Or don't you have enough trouble in your life as it is?)
Of course, an IMMENSE amount of competition exists, and so the Young go to those sources, and enjoy themselves there, and spend their money (what little there is) there, and they do not come to our Hobby, the future of our Hobby dims and fails some more, Hasbro tries it's stiff-arm tactics in vain to win them over while driving away or splitting the Old Hands market, and the whole thing is collapsing like a House of Cards.

There.

Enjoy the new format?

We can't have a few humorous posts about ECM, from a game that was fun.
No, we must talk about the dreadful reality. We have a hundred other threads, with a thousand posts each, discussing, arguing, fighting, fighting to the death, over the dreadful reality ... but we cannot have a few humorous posts. No sir.

So, here's your new format. Enjoy it?

I didn't think so.

Edena_of_Neith
 

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I would prefer the few humorous posts about ECM.
The reality of what has happened, with Dragon, Dungeon, editions, settings, the whole thing, is just a little too painful.

A little humor is needed. My heavens, isn't there little enough humor in the godawful reality of what has happened?

If there is no room for humor - in a messageboard devoted to gaming, of all places - what is the point?

The post I just made, I could have made at the *beginning.*
I didn't make that post, because I dislike feeding hatred and anger. I happen to know where hatred and anger *lead.* I should. I got a Doctorate in the subject, learned first hand. Trust me.
Why do you think I refused to be involved in the Edition Flamewar?
Why do you think I mourned, watched in sadness, as the Edition War helped further wreck the situation?

I don't like making posts like the one above.
I like being flippant. I like being humorous. I like playing up the good, and playing down the bad.
And, although I love giving poll numbers, endless numbers of poll number statements get boring. Something is needed to spice it up. Something, to keep interest, and maybe even ... bring back some old, good memories on the part of some of our posters (others remember Star Fleet Battles, remember how good a time they had at it ... and every time I posted about it, those posts were marked Off-Topic. You don't have to read them if they offend, you know!)

I will not be dragged into the grim horror of what has happened.
It is bad enough I have to read it.
I will not feed the Flamewar Monster. I will not feed the Hate Monster. I will not feed the Anger Monster.

The ECM Monster? THAT is a monster I can feed.
The Hate Monster? I would put a +5 lance through it's heart, if I could.

Yours Sincerely
Edena_of_Neith
 


Rant over.

My apologies to Morrus and the Admins for making it.
But can you appreciate why I did so? What I feel? What I choose to hold in, because I really do not wish to aggravate the climate of anger and hatred that has run amok, even on ENWorld, because of the behavior of Hasbro and others? Because our Hobby has fallen on hard times?

Of course, we should discuss the fact the Hobby has fallen on Hard Times. Of course, this is a messageboard for doing that!

But there are a hundred threads, a thousand threads, about that.

I merely try to interject humor where I can, and I withhold from talking about the obvious.
The obvious is *painful.* It is for me. I've been in the hobby for 30 years, and what I see is very painful.

But rather than continue to rant and rave about the painful nature of things, or be involved in Edition Wars, or Flame Wars, or whatever, I post a poll (which, to be frank, is silly - this poll is stupid and meaningless ... the one GOOD thing about it, is that it shows an INCREASED interest in the Hobby, and I call that *good*) and make a few off-hand comments about ECM while waiting 2 months for the results to come in.
Can you blame me?

Yours Sincerely
Edena_of_Neith

EDIT:

No, it is not an overreaction. Morrus had to Ban Edition War threads for 2 months, in order to protect ENWorld from the anger run amok. Morrus doesn't do things like that lightly.
Morrus took it on the chin, in order to protect this messageboard. I salute him. It was the right thing to do. Nobody has the right to turn ENWorld into another bloodbath, as they did practically *every other* messageboard.

What is so bad about a few remarks about ECM?
Heck, if you took everything I had to say about ECM, put together, it would not equal 1/10th of the text for that rule within that game, alone!
It was insignificant.
I hope the person who has issued the Complaint (and, shouldn't I - as a matter of ethical discourse - reply to Complaints? Isn't it reasonable that I be required to answer Complaints? I have a code to live up to, also) will read what I wrote, and appreciate where I'm coming from.

I will not discuss ECM anymore on this thread. (Since Star Fleet Battles is mostly dead, and no messageboards exist for it, I probably won't be discussing it period anywhere, but certainly not on ENWorld which is a D&D and related games board.)

I will not discuss ECM.
But I will also not discuss the Horror Topic. I leave that to others.
Because if it isn't fun, if there is no fun to be had, then I do not want to discuss it.

Where there is fun to be found in a thread, you'll find me. Where there is no fun, no joy, nothing of hope or gladness, I will not be there.
 
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I was referring to the way you reacted to the off-topic posting criticism, Edena.

Personally, I just skip the Star Trek posts, but I can see how a forum member who comes into the thread, sees a long reply, expects it to be about the thread subject, and then ends up reading an essay on Star Trek, can be somewhat confused as to what the meaning of that essay is and how it pertains to the matter at hand. When the thread contains multiple such essays, well... it's a bit strange.

But I'm not exactly sure how the suggestion that Star Trek posts don't belong in this thread implies that they have to be replaced with apocalyptic rants on the state of the game?
 

Again, rant over.
I just had to say all that, get it off my chest.

I have tried to answer the Complaint. I have promised not to discuss ECM again.
And again, I apologize to Morrus and the Admins for the rant.

If I am out of line, please *do* call me out.

But do not expect another rant. Only apologies, and more humorous posts (if that is possible, somehow, in some other context besides ECM, of course.)
Attack or criticize a specific person, even if they attack me?
I don't think so. Don't expect it. It isn't happening. It isn't going to happen.
 

(snip)

But I'm not exactly sure how the suggestion that Star Trek posts don't belong in this thread implies that they have to be replaced by apocalyptic rants on the state of the game?

(muses)

I have lurked and watched others conduct the Edition Flamewar, the Dragon and Dungeon Flamewar, all of it.
I have said nothing. (Heck, what is there to say? I can cry in my beer and I have, but there is nothing relevant I could possibly say.)

So I make a few humorous posts, and now someone has posted a Formal Protest.
So, I am going to Cease and Desist, as he has asked me to do.

He isn't an Admin, no. But he is a fellow poster, and when people issue formal protests over your humor, it is no longer humorous, no? And if it is not humorous, there is no point in posting it.

I merely try to say to my fellow poster, who issued the Protest, that there are far too many posts filled with Anger and Hatred, and far too few about Humor and Fun.
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I was trying to show.

Yours Sincerely
Edena_of_Neith
 




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