Changeover Poll

[Scribble]

You also can't vote there if you're not logged in.

You can vote here if you're not logged in.

Whether that says we have a lot of people here who aren't members but still like to vote in polls, or lots of people are doing the log out to vote for your favorite answer more then once trick... I can't answer.

 

[evilbob]

Do you (OP) have a link to your original poll? I was wondering how the numbers were different.

 

[hewligan]

...
However, I do believe that the more votes we get, the better, because it indicates interest in the hobby. So yes, I really do enjoy watching the vote count rise - every new vote is a vote for the hobby itself (regardless of edition) in my book.
If the poll received 2,000 votes, nothing would make me happier. 3,000. 4,000. 5,000. 10,000. More votes means more people interested in the game.
...

I personally think you are reading way too much into things. First of all, this poll represents little, and unfortunately represents less and less over time. As someone mentioned above, polls work best as a snapshot of opinion. The longer they are open the more noise you are likely to get. Also, your poll's margin of statistical error does not change much once you reach a certain point.

Then there is the thing about RPG.net and comparing it to here. ENWorld was consumed for quite a while with edition wars. ENWorld is a DnD site, first and foremost. RPG.net covers many systems, and thus the people that visit that site are not identical to the people that visit this site (although clearly there is some cross-over). You have the edition-war fanatics on here (and yes, things have calmed down nicely now) that you will just not get to the same degree on RPG.net.

And then we move on to the fact that you now seem to be consumed by this poll and thread. You seem afraid to let it fall off the front page. You have invested in it some strange importance, as if it is now a proxy for the entire health of our hobby. It is nothing of the sort. The length of a single thread on ENWorld can, in no way, indicate the importance or health of our hobby.

ENWorld has (and I quote from the main page of this website) "Over 80,000 members and counting!"

That is one proxy of the health of this site, and perhaps from that one could infer to a small degree the health of a single segment (DnD) of the hobby. Of course, even that is mislead as many of those accounts will be inactive or duplicates.

So please, can we let this thread slowly sink to its natural place and stop the redundant bumping and rather far fetched claims for it. I know you are proud of the success of the poll, and I even voted in it, so I am not dissing your work, but I would prefer if it could naturally slip off the front page of the forum list now that its useful purpose has been spent.

Grumpy rant over!

 

[Edena_of_Neith]

Do you (OP) have a link to your original poll? I was wondering how the numbers were different.

Can someone pull it up? The question has been asked.
Put up the link, we can compare both polls, and then if people then wish, I can call this poll.

EDIT:

I make no far fetched claims for this poll (nor have I ... go back and look.
I have made some *wishful thinking.*
My wishful thinking, my *hope*, is that it means people are increasingly interested in the hobby. (I do hope I'm right on that. We can always use good news like that.)

 

[Mark]

Can someone pull it up? The question has been asked.
Put up the link, we can compare both polls, and then if people then wish, I can call this poll.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/235481-changeover-poll.html

 

[Edena_of_Neith]

Ok, here is the First Changeover Poll. *Quite notably, 52 new votes have been cast in this poll* in the last 8 weeks, bringing the vote tally on that poll from 953 to 1,005.
The results of that poll are thus altered a bit, but they are still worth having a look at.

Here are the complete results for all three Changeover Polls, so you can make any comparisons you would desire to make.

-

The First ENWorld Changeover Poll, with 953 votes cast in July 2008 and August 2008, and 52 votes cast in December 2008 and January 2009

Changeover: 37%
No Changeover: 49%
Partial Changeover: 14%
Option 6: 22%

Complete Results (see below)

-

The Second ENWorld Changeover Poll, with 1,155 votes cast in December 2008 and January 2009, and new votes still being cast.

Changeover: 33%
No Changeover: 58%
Partial Changeover: 9%
Option 6: 31%

Complete Results: (see below)

-

Here are the results of the RPGnet Changeover Poll, with 254 votes cast in January of 2009.
I want to note that this poll has received no new votes within the last 3 days.

Changeover: 55%
No Changeover: 33%
Partial Changeover: 12%
Option 6: 13%

Complete Results: (see below)

-

The First ENWorld Changeover Poll, 953 votes cast in July and August of 2008, 52 votes cast in December of 2008 and January of 2009 :

View Poll Results: Changeover Edition to Edition of D&D Poll
Complete Changeover: All 4E played now, no earlier editions of D&D 283 28.16%
Largely over: Mostly 4E played now, some earlier edition play 89 8.86%
Half over: Half 4E played now, half earlier edition play 59 5.87%
Partial Changeover: Some 4E played now, mostly earlier edition play 27 2.69%
Slight Changeover: A little 4E played now, mostly earlier edition play 51 5.07%
No Change: Tried 4E, went back to earlier edition play 222 22.09%
No Change: Never tried 4E, all earlier edition play 274 27.26%
Voters: 1005. You have already voted on this poll

-

The Second ENWorld Changeover Poll, with 1,155 votes cast in December of 2008 and January of 2009, and votes still being cast :

View Poll Results: Changeover Poll
Complete Changeover: All 4E played now, no earlier editions of D&D 311 26.93%
Largely over: Mostly 4E played now, some earlier edition play 74 6.41%
Half over: Half 4E played now, half earlier edition play 48 4.16%
Partial Changeover: Some 4E played now, mostly earlier edition play 19 1.65%
Slight Changeover: A little 4E played now, mostly earlier edition play 34 2.94%
No Change: Tried 4E, went back to earlier edition play 356 30.82%
No Change: Never tried 4E, all earlier edition play 313 27.10%
Voters: 1155. You have already voted on this poll

-

The RPGnet Changeover Poll, with 254 votes cast in January of 2009.

Complete Changeover: All 4E played now, no earlier editions of D&D 114 44.88%
Largely over: Mostly 4E played now, some earlier edition play 27 10.63%
Half over: Half 4Eplayed now, half earlier edition play 9 3.54%
Partial Changeover: Some 4E played now, mostly earlier edition play 9 3.54%
Slight Changeover: A little 4E played now, mostly earlier edition play 10 3.94%
No Change: Tried 4E, went back to earlier edition play 34 13.39%
No Change: Never tried 4E, all earlier edition play 51 20.08%
Voters: 254. You may not vote on this poll

Thank you, Mark, for giving me the link to the First Changeover Poll. Cheers to you, sir.
Wicht, thank you for the link to the RPGnet poll. Cheers to you, too.

Yours Sincerely
Edena_of_Neith

 

[Edena_of_Neith]

I still declare the winner to be the Game of Dungeons and Dragons, and All Similar Games Thereof. : )

 

[evilbob]

So the end results of two non-random samples that are statistically close to meaningless are:

6 months later: slightly fewer people are still on the fence, and slightly more folks have gone back to 3.5, but generally no one has changed their mind.

Internet axiom that you can never change anyone's mind: STILL TRUE!

 

[Dragon Snack]

Slightly? 49% to 58% is slightly more?

Remember, it was the 3.x people who were supposed to be the ones who would "change their minds"...

 

[Mark]

Thank you, Mark, for giving me the link to the First Changeover Poll.

NP. That's how we rolly, Pollee.