Cleave and Attacks of Opportunity

[Pielorinho]

That's the problem I have with Caliban's ruling - it doesn't actually follow the wording.

Oh, clearly it doesn't -- but that's not a problem for me. The spirit of the rules is way more important than the words themselves; since his description is simple, unambiguous, logical, and non-game-breaking, it's closer to the spirit than anything else I've seen in this thread, including my own ideas.

Daniel

 

[Elvinis75]

I won't give you the text, because that's not what I said. If you think I said this, please quote the specific passage that gave you that impression, and I'll explain what I actually meant.

Daniel

In response to:
What about the case where one of the PC is a god hatin self made type of man and spits on your holy symbol. You think that your diety is going to bless that person?
You said
According to the rules, yes. Gods don't micromanage; they delegate. That's what clerics are for. They're the middle managers of the holy hierarchy. If a cleric decides that the god hatin man is an ally and should be subject to bless, then that god hatin man is subject to bless. Maybe at some point the cleric's boss will have words with her, but there's nothing in the rules to suggest that the gods are second-guessing every single spell choice their clerics make.

That made me believe that you were saying that somewhere in the rules it says that dieties don't have the power to deny prayers at the time they are cast. I can't find anything that that says that they don't or couldn't micromanage the way that the priest use their powers. I believe that this would be an important skill and precaution for a god to take to avoid people forcing followers to do great harm in that dieties name. In the second part of your quote you says that there is nothing in the rules saying that they can do this and I say that there is nothing the other direction so it looks like a DM call. It makes it hard to use in this situation then as we believe quite different ways in which prayers work.

This whole discussion though is not as important as whether or not to adjudicate a prayer differently because of one scenerio that rarely happens. So what if they could use low level prayers to find a interloper? If the king does use this method as someone suggested it would show a alot of people are not his allies. Nobility more often than not are "a nest of sceeming ba5tards" most of them are allies and enemies at the same time. Are you going to kill them all? I haven't seen a good reason presented here yet to change the basic knowledge of the DM approach. The diety, and the DM for the bardic powers, knows who is and who is not an ally to that character and makes saves as appropriate.