D&D 5E Companion thread to 5E Survivor: Species

[DND_Reborn]

I've been focusing fire on the aasimar for a while now.

That and the Gem Dragonborn are the next to go if I have my way.

 

[Scribe]

You all need to not let them get away with it!

 

[overgeeked]

I’ll vote out anyone at 2 or 1. Don’t care who. It’s a game.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

That's interesting data to me.

I don't use DDB at all. Anecdotally, dwarves are among the most popular choices I've seen in face-to-face games for both 4E and 5E.

Personally, I rarely play them, but I've seen a lot of people who do.

Yeah. In fact, it seems my numbers are slightly out of date, as several websites have reported dragonborn overtaking elves as well, though they may not be combining subraces together. Multiple sites have reported the top 10 as:

1. Human
2. Half-Elf
3. Dragonborn
4. Tiefling
5. Half-Orc
6. Elf
7. Dwarf
8. Halfling
9. Genasi
10. Goliath

Whereas, IIRC, if you lump together all subraces (which I do, even if DDB does not), the most popular options are (as of the most recent data, which was post-Tasha's but pre-Fizban's), in order:

1. Human
2. Elf
3. Half-Elf
4. Dragonborn
5. Tiefling
6. Half-orc
7. Halfling
8. Genasi
9. Goliath(?)
10. Dwarf (? Might have these two switched in my head)

Human, elf, and half-elf are all super plausible top picks. Standard human is the literal everyman, variant human was the only feat-giver before Custom Lineage, half-elf is massively OP and supremely flexible (and pretty), and elves offer lots of solid bonuses (and are pretty.) Dragonborn have shot up the ranks, rising even to 3rd place in some rankings, which shocks the hell out of me, I never expected it to ever overtake the sexy, powerful elves, when dragonborn are not at all powerful (seriously, 5e PHB dragonborn are one of the weakest races in the game) and nowhere near as...universally visually appealing, shall we say. Tiefling used to be above dragonborn, and again I can understand why. Mechanically stronger, more traditional, and that sexy edgelord implied story? It would be odd if it wasn't at least moderately popular.

Dwarves just have a number of characteristics working against them in the grand scheme (obviously not here, where they're winning.) As noted, humans like being tall. Dwarves are one of the least played races in most MMOs because they are short, but not as short as the really short ones (gnomes, halflings, etc.) so they fail to get the benefits of committing to either really short or average-to-tall. They're very heavily stereotyped as hard-drinking, hard-talking, hard-fighting Scottish laborer-engineer-warrior-brewers who hate elves and love being hypertraditional and insular, which can make people feel they have limited RP potential (e.g., "you've seen one dwarf, you've seen them all.") And, finally, while they can be mechanically potent for certain things (e.g. Barbarian), their mechanical features aren't especially potent in most cases, meaning someone thinking about optimization is not going to gun for them like they would (say) any Cha class to Half-Elf or any person wanting a feat to Variant Human/Custom Lineage.

Dwarves aren't bad. I'm not surprised one made it to the Great Eight. But there is at least some truth to the claim that the only reason they are an obligatory PHB option is Tolkien's legacy, not because they are played by a consistently large portion of the fan base. As I said above, dwarf is still often in the top 10, so that may be enough to say it still deserves its place...or maybe it just shows its PHB privilege.

 

[AnotherGuy]

Congratulation to the Elves/Half-Elves.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

Congratulation to the Elves/Half-Elves.

They have all three Ps.

Pretty.
Powerful.
Prominent.

Elves are longer-lived, prettier humans in many works. They tend to be personally powerful narratively (likely due to the influence of Galadriel and, to a lesser extent, Elrond), and in most editions some flavor of elf has been a top-tier pick. Half-elves have varied a lot over the years, but they were solid in 4e (especially with Dilettante) and are now clearly one of the most potent races in 5e. And they both, in their current superficial appearance, date back to Grandpa Tolkien himself, with Elrond being half-elven even. Hard to get more prominent than that.

Hence my shock at dragonborn even potentially overtaking one of them. I may be a fanboy, but even I didn't expect that to happen.

Edit: Also, looks like I screwed up the reported top picks (somehow listing half-elf twice!) But it's fixed now.

 

[CleverNickName]

Really starting to run out of things I'm willing to upvote...

I've been there for a while now.

I usually just throw my upvote onto an odd-numbered option on the list, so that my upvote doesn't change the number of downvotes needed to eliminate it. It's not great, but it's the best I can do.

 

[DND_Reborn]

I've been there for a while now.

Now that it has finally gotten down to a more reasonable number of options, I finally have options to upvote and downvote that will have greater impact and ones I actually would like to win -- so, otherwise if people feel like they don't have anything left to vote for, don't vote I guess...

 

[CleverNickName]

Now that it has finally gotten down to a more reasonable number of options, I finally have options to upvote and downvote that will have greater impact and ones I actually would like to win -- so, otherwise if people feel like they don't have anything left to vote for, don't vote I guess...

I might not have anything to vote for, but I have plenty to vote against.

 

[DND_Reborn]

I might not have anything to vote for, but I have plenty to vote against.

Then ya gotta vote for something as well.

Your rules, not mine.

 

[CreamCloud0]

Then ya gotta vote for something as well.

Your rules, not mine.

Aren’t we allowed to upvote the same thing we’re downvoting for a net result -1 vote?

 

[DND_Reborn]

Aren’t we allowed to upvote the same thing we’re downvoting for a net result -1 vote?

Nope...

Every day, you vote for one species that you like, which gains 1 point. And then you vote for a different species, which loses 2 points. It is intentional that a negative vote is worth more than a positive vote - first, because it takes something extra to whittle these guys down to size. Second, because.

Up vote one race, then down vote a different race.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

Aren’t we allowed to upvote the same thing we’re downvoting for a net result -1 vote?

As I understood it, no. You must vote for two distinct things. Since the game(?) is over when only one option remains, you must always vote for two distinct things, +1 and -2.

That said...if people really have nothing to vote for...there is an option for you. A very convenient one! Don't vote. Just let it go (insert meme here.) If everything you care about is gone, it is okay to peace out. I understand sticking with it...but sometimes it's better for the voter to just disengage. That's what I did with the Wizard survivor thread, for example. Yet I recognize that with the subclass finalist showdown, I liked basically nothing on the list, but I stuck around until the bitter end there.

You can also do what I did in some of the other subclass survivors: upvote something you think is unlikely to survive long, and downvote something you think is likely to win. In so doing, you spice up the game(?) for others, making the "action" more intense and uncertain. Or, as I put it back then: Let the Lord of Chaos rule.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

Seriously, what gives? Why suddenly so many people gunning for Dragonborn? Who pissed in your cheerios?

 

[Scribe]

Seriously, what gives? Why suddenly so many people gunning for Dragonborn? Who pissed in your cheerios?

Dont take it as personally, as I took people voting against the righteous Variant Tiefling. I held that vendetta...until just now, wiping out the last of the Gnomes.

 

[Tonguez]

Dont take it as personally, as I took people voting against the righteous Variant Tiefling. I held that vendetta...until just now, wiping out the last of the Gnomes.

Vengeance is a tiny little gnibble best served cold, gnomgnomgnome

 

[Vaalingrade]

Seriously, what gives? Why suddenly so many people gunning for Dragonborn? Who pissed in your cheerios?

Suddenly?

 

[AnotherGuy]

Seriously, what gives? Why suddenly so many people gunning for Dragonborn? Who pissed in your cheerios?

Dragonborn are padding. There were so many awesome options that were obliterated by the demi human crowd.
Sigh.

 

[Scribe]

Dragonborn are padding. There were so many awesome options that were obliterated by the demi human crowd.
Sigh.

I have a dark horse still in the running. My attempts at getting people to assist went largely unheeded.

I wont get to vote till Monday, and the list is getting pretty short now...

 

[AnotherGuy]

I have a dark horse still in the running. My attempts at getting people to assist went largely unheeded.

I wont get to vote till Monday, and the list is getting pretty short now...

After the human was taken out it quickly became apparent the Elf and Dwarf would be contenders. With the Halfling and Gnome being runner ups.
It was so blatant.

Therefore I couldn't understand why posters who supported non-traditional options like Lizardfolk, Goblinoid, Satyr, Tortle, Minotaur, Tabaxi or Aasimar kept down voting each other's options when they had a common enemy.
What you gonna do? Humans!