Converting Epic Level Beings

[BOZ]

ok, but i don't want to have the Colossal titans having far more HD than their smaller cousins. we might as well just make them elder titans if we did that, and that would kinda defeat what we're doing here.

 

[Shade]

OK. Then how about 41-60 HD (Gargantuan), 61-80 HD (Colossal)?

 

[BOZ]

hmm... i just don't want their HD to be dependent on their size or vice versa. there's got to be another way around that.

 

[Shade]

I still think your best bet would be to simply draw up a list of common traits, then make each a unique, advanced regular titan. For example, like Bel is to a standard pit fiend.

 

[BOZ]

yeah, but bel is (or should be) much more powerful than a standard pit fiend.

i think i'm going to just do this:
Advancement: 41-80 HD (Gargantuan)
that way, any size adjustment is apart from regular advancement. sound crazy, or might it just work?

 

[Shade]

yeah, but bel is (or should be) much more powerful than a standard pit fiend.

True, and Prometheus could be much more powerful than a standard titan in the same manner.

i think i'm going to just do this:
Advancement: 41-80 HD (Gargantuan)
that way, any size adjustment is apart from regular advancement. sound crazy, or might it just work?

It might work. Let's stat out Atlas and see.

 

[BOZ]

How about some skills and feats first? naturally, we can switch them out or add to them as need be, but I’d like a base list to work from. How many feats would a 40-HD titan have?

And what about saves?

Should we give an insight bonus to AC?

And I’d like to come up with a (smaller) list for spell-likes to work off of…

 

[Shade]

How about some skills and feats first? naturally, we can switch them out or add to them as need be, but I’d like a base list to work from. How many feats would a 40-HD titan have?

Skills: 688 total
Feats: 7 total
Epic Feats: 7 total

Suggested Skill Ranks: Balance 20, Bluff 43, Climb 23, Concentration 43, Craft (any one) 43, Diplomacy 43, Heal 43, Intimidate 43, Jump 43, Knowledge (any two) 43 each, Listen 43, Perform (oratory) 43, Search 43, Sense Motive 43, Spellcraft 43, Spot 43

This includes all the lesser titan's skills, except that I omitted Disguise, Survival, and Swim from the list because the lesser titan had no ranks in these skills, only ability modifiers and synergy bonuses. We can add them back in to the final list in the same manner.

Suggested Feats: Awesome Blow, Blind-Fight, Cleave, Combat Reflexes, Great Cleave, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Sunder, Power Attack, Quicken Spell-Like Ability.

Suggested Epic Feats: Damage Reduction, Fast Healing, Epic Prowess, Epic Reflexes, Epic Toughness, Improved Combat Reflexes, Legendary Leaper, Legendary Wrestler, Mighty Sunder, Spellcasting Harrier.

And what about saves?

Using Krishnath's formula, base saves are Fort +22, Ref +22, Will +22

Should we give an insight bonus to AC?

No. Maybe on a case-by-case basis. I could see Kronos getting one, considering his time-based focus.

And I’d like to come up with a (smaller) list for spell-likes to work off of…

I'll get back to you on that.

 

[BOZ]

groooovy baby

 

[BOZ]

ok, here's a stat block, updated:

Titan, Greater
Gargantuan Outsider (Chaotic, Extraplanar)
Hit Dice: 40d8+640 (840 hp)
Initiative: +5
Speed: 60 ft (12 squares)
Armor Class: 39 (-4 size, +5 Dex, +28 natural), touch X, flat-footed X
Base Attack/Grapple: +40/+70
Attack: Slam +59 melee (2d6+18)
Full Attack: 2 slams +59 melee (2d6+18)
Space/Reach: 20 ft/20 ft
Special Attacks: Oversized weapon, spell-like abilities
Special Qualities: Damage reduction 15/epic, darkvision 60 ft, fast healing 3, spell resistance 36
Saves: Fort +42 Ref +31 Will +35
Abilities: Str 47 Dex 20 Con 43 Int 27 Wis 28 Cha 28
Skills: Balance +19, Bluff +29, Climb +31, Concentration +47, Craft (any two) +31, Decipher Script +38, Diplomacy +19, Disguise +9 (+11 in character), Gather Information +28, Heal +28, Intimidate +42, Jump +48, Knowledge (any three) +39, Listen +40, Perform (any two) +39, Search +39, Sense Motive +40, Spellcraft +28, Spot +40, Survival +9 (+11 following tracks)
Feats: Awesome Blow, Blind-Fight, Cleave, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Sunder, Power Attack, Quicken Spell-Like Ability (X).
Epic Feats: Fast Healing, Epic Fortitude, Epic Prowess, Epic Reflexes, Epic Toughness, Epic Will, Legendary Leaper.

Environment: Any outer plane
Organization: Solitary
Challenge Rating: 28?
Treasure: Double standard
Alignment: Usually chaotic (any)
Advancement: 41-80 HD (Gargantuan)
Level Adjustment: ---