Converting Epic Level Beings

[BOZ]

Here, try this one instead. I fixed some of the things wrong with the original scan, namely Atlas’ height (50’) and Coeus’ height (21’). (they’re the shorties of the bunch)

And now that I think of it… we might as well keep them at the heights as listed.

 

[BOZ]

here's an important question that i think i need to ask.

to really get things started on these guys, do you want to write them up as a race (i.e., "typical greater titans have these stats" and give general background info) that we would use as a base to create the individuals, OR would we be better off simply treating each of these as an individual and converting them on a one-by-one basis?

 

[Shade]

I could go either way on this one. On the one hand, the archfiends do not have any common traits listed in the BOVD, just a small descriptive writeup. On the other hand, the BOED does provide shared traits for the different subgroupings of celestial paragons. So precedence for unique beings supports either way.

 

[BOZ]

they *are* a cohesive race, unlike demon lords. i'm thinking more and more that we need a racial "standard", and modify all the stats for the individual titans.

 

[Shade]

That sounds like a good plan. How shall we begin?

 

[BOZ]

well, we need to set some values to work off of.

I’d say that we need to set it’s Hit Dice, for one. I’m thinking 30 or 35. then we add class levels on top of that.

Also, size. I’m thinking Gargantuan, and we’ll advance the bigger ones to Colossal. Coeus is a special weird case, since he’s actually shorter than a lesser titan!

And ability scores as well. We can set a lower value, then up the stats as we give them class levels.

The rest should be relatively easy to figure out once we get these things.

 

[Shade]

I'd like to discourage setting a static HD, then adding class levels. They'll end up much weaker than if they had outsider HD and retained some class abilities.

I'd rather see something like the elder titans and dragons, where they have the spellcasting ability of an Xth level arcane and divine caster, and a couple of domains. For those with other class abilities, we could say that they have the following ability(s) as an X-level class. For example, for Atlas' monk levels, we could just say that he has the flurry of blows ability of a 10th-level monk.

Fighter levels won't offer much for these guys. They already have fighter BAB, better saves, far better skills, and plenty of feats just from their outsider levels and high HD.

That's just my opinion, and I'll concede to your ultimate decision.

 

[BOZ]

well, i was also considering what you just said. if we did that, the HD should be more like 40-50 (some titans will have more HD than others).

 

[Shade]

Sounds good. If we are writing up an actual statblock for a generic greater titan, we could start with 40 HD and allow the advancement range to take care of the rest. Thus, Atlas could be a unique advanced greater titan, for example.

Or, you could just make a greater titan entry that included all their shared traits (like the tanar'ri entry or the Celestial Hebdomad, for example).

 

[BOZ]

hmm... think i'll have another look at the BoED so i actually know what you're talking about.