Converting Epic Level Beings

[Clifford]

Yeah outsider sounds good. He is like a Big assed hellhound.

Cliff

 

[Shade]

That works for me. Outsider is my favorite type.

For Hit Dice, what was the ol' formula we used for unique 1E supercritters again, BOZ? Hit points divided by 4.5?

 

[Clifford]

i think that was the Formila HP/4.5

Giving cerby 42

(100 + heads x 3 (90) 190/4.5 = 42.Something or other.)

Cliff

 

[BOZ]

well, it wasn't what we used with the titans. (followed by 1E hp, then our 3.5 E HD)

Atlas – 350 – 41
Coeus – 344 – 40
Crius – 390 – 49
Cronus – 400 – 51
Epimetheus – 345 – 40
Oceanus – 390 – 49
Prometheus – 388 – 48

we didn't use a specific formula for those, just a sort of guesstimation... they wind up being roughly 12% on average. so 12% of 190 = 22, which for that matter is the same amount of HD that the 2E designers gave him.

 

[Shade]

Well, who can argue with that logic.

 

[BOZ]

LOL anyone.

 

[Clifford]

Well i guess i could go back to my "Standard" Bailor Argument I used ber That first criter but Why bother 22 seems a bit low though. The brachyurus has more. And i think cerby being unique should outshine thes glorified wolves. Anyway just my two cents.

Cliff

 

[Shade]

I have no problem bumping him up to 42. He is a legendary unique creature, after all.

I think we used the HD/4.5 formula for things like archfiends, dragon rulers, etc.

I also found this old thread, which by the findings in post #43, he'd have 38 Hit Dice in 3E.

http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php?p=1218125&postcount=43

 

[BOZ]

i'll consider it.

 

[BOZ]

First off, regarding monsters in the ELH… I think the designers had good intentions in mind, but I think they really screwed some things up in terms of monster design by having so many non-unique epic monsters. When the “ordinary” monsters of that type are so powerful already, how much more powerful does a unique monster of that type need to be? So I never have, and likely never will, set the power level of a conversion based on something in the ELH. If you need a monster with 50+ HD, I say give it class levels or advance it normally.

The archfiends in the BoVD all have HD in their 20s and 30s. granted, this book came out before the power climb of 3.5, so that may be besides the point. However, I can’t think of a good reason to make Cerberus higher than the most powerful of the archfiends – but maybe it couldn’t hurt to put him in the midst of them.

I’m willing to go as high as 32-HD, 10 over my original estimation, but no more than that.