Converting Epic Level Beings

[BOZ]

heh

OK, updated Cerby in homebrews to reflect 45-HD. how does that look so far?

 

[Shade]

He actually looks pretty damn good! He compares nicely with tarrasque.

 

[BOZ]

ok, we have ahcieved consensus.

skill points = 720. (15 at max ranks 48)

feats = 16.

 

[Shade]

I just noticed that the death dogs in the FF are listed as "descendants of the mythical three-headed dog Cerberus". I forgot about those critters.

That said, they've got....
Skills: Hide +3, Listen +6, Move Silently +4, Spot +4
Feats: Weapon Focus (bite)

Cerby definitiely needs max ranks in Spot, Search, and Listen.

Here are my suggestions:

Skills: Balance 48, Hide 48, Intimidate 48, Jump 48, Knowledge (arcana) 48, Knowledge (the planes) 48, Knowledge (religion) 48, Listen 48, Move Silently 48, Search 48, Sense Motive 48, Spot 48, Survival 48, Swim 48, Tumble 48

Feats: Awesome Blow, Cleave, Combat Reflexes, Great Cleave, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Critical (bite), Improved Initiative, Power Attack, Track, Weapon Focus (bite)

Epic Feats: Dire Charge, Epic Reflexes, Epic Skill Focus (Listen), Epic Skill Focus (Spot), Epic Will, Superior Initiative

 

[BOZ]

I like your feat selections just fine.

As for skills, I think it's boring to cop-out and just give something all max ranks. I figure he could use another one, two, or more of the following skills: Climb, Bluff and/or Diplomacy, Knowledge (geography and/or local), Spellcraft

 

[Clifford]

It sure has allot of epic feats for not being epic. I think i read somewhere a creature cannot have epic feats unless it has a cr 21 or over. and sense this is the epic monster thread on the princaple alone shouldent we modify creby to have a cr of 21+ (!.E. epic) CR?

And oh yeah death dogs i forgot about those too.

Cliff
>=)

 

[Shade]

A creature can qualify for epic feats once its HD and levels total 21 or greater. So a t-rex can qualify by advancing it to CR 9!

BOZ - While I don't think it is a cop-out in all cases (some creatures simply don't need many skills, so max ranks make sense), I think your additional suggestions of Bluff, Climb, and Diplomacy all work just fine for Cerby. I don't think he'd need Spellcraft, and the two additional Knowledge skills don't offer him much in his limited environment.

 

[BOZ]

Shade, sounds good. how about: Balance 38, Bluff 30, Climb 20, Diplomacy 30, Hide 48, Intimidate 48, Jump 28, Knowledge (arcana) 48, Knowledge (religion) 48, Knowledge (the planes) 48, Listen 48, Move Silently 38, Search 48, Sense Motive 48, Spot 48, Survival 38, Swim 38, Tumble 28

Clifford, will it help you sleep better at night if i bring him up to CR 21?

 

[Shade]

Reverse the ranks in Swim and Tumble and I'll be happy.

And CR 21 is fine with me.

 

[BOZ]

updating... if he looks fine with CR 21 as-is, i guess i don't mind upping it.