D&D General Could A Npc be Racist towards Elven Thieves but he's willing to befriend Elves that aren't Thieves and he will tolerate Thieves that aren't Elves?

FrogReaver

As long as i get to be the frog
Unfortunately, I've seen this attitude down here in the deep South.
Down here, certain people will ignore blacks so long as they stay in the background and quietly lives their lives, but if the black individual shows signs of immoral behavior (such as stealing), they're considered the worst sort of scum on earth who need to be pruned immediately. A lot of times these sort of folks will claim that they aren't bigots or racists, even so far as to say "I have several black friends", when in reality they simply don't want to think about blacks existing and are ready to pounce on them the moment they "step out of line".
I say this with all sincerity. What you say above comes across an awful lot like:

"White people, you should be okay with black people stealing and doing other immoral behavior. If you aren't okay with that then you are a bigot and a racist that doesn't want to think about black people and are just out to pounce on them the moment they step out of line no matter how many black friends you have."

I doubt you meant it that way.
 

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BookTenTiger

He / Him
I say this with all sincerity. What you say above comes across an awful lot like:

"White people, you should be okay with black people stealing and doing other immoral behavior. If you aren't okay with that then you are a bigot and a racist that doesn't want to think about black people and are just out to pounce on them the moment they step out of line no matter how many black friends you have."

I doubt you meant it that way.
It did not come across that way to me at all. It's more like "only noticing people of x race when they do something bad is still being racist."
 

FrogReaver

As long as i get to be the frog
It did not come across that way to me at all. It's more like "only noticing people of x race when they do something bad is still being racist."
I can see that. I'm curious though, what part of that post gave you the notion that those people only noticed when a black person did something bad as opposed to any person doing something bad?
 

BookTenTiger

He / Him
I can see that. I'm curious though, what part of that post gave you the notion that those people only noticed when a black person did something bad as opposed to any person doing something bad?
I'm not sure I can answer that question without getting into politics or pulling this discussion even more off-topic. Feel free to send me a message if you would like to keep chatting about it.
 

FrogReaver

As long as i get to be the frog
I'm not sure I can answer that question without getting into politics or pulling this discussion even more off-topic. Feel free to send me a message if you would like to keep chatting about it.
Done. For others I think this discussion should end here on this thread for me as well. BookTenTiger makes excellent points about politics/off-topic territory.
 

Ulorian

Adventurer
Sorry about the confusion I'm English and theirs a unique reason that the syntax system of my posts indicates that English isn't likely my native language

The reason is that starting back in 2,003 their was a 20 month period were I was so bored that I amused myself by creating a unique version of The Typed but not Written or Spoken versions of The English Language that only I know or will ever know and as I've been using it for just over 17 years, started making it on The 20/9/2,003, finished it on The 17//5/2,005 and its now The 23//5/2,022, that I've never managed to get out of the habit of using full time

I will freely admit that I think its very amusing to know that when I die all knowledge of the version of The Written but not Spoken English Language that took me almost 8 months to make that only I know or will ever know will die with me
Is it that hard for you to communicate with others that you would have to resort to creating a new language? You're a person like the rest of us are. You deserve what everyone else does.
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
A friend of mine has A Idea for A Npc A Mate of mine could use in my campaign, basically its someone that's racist towards members of A Certain Race that work in a certain class but he's willing to befriend members of that race that's aren't in that Class and is willing to tolerate people that are in that Class that don't come from that Certain Race

1 example of that would be A Npc that's Racist towards Elven Thieves but he's willing to befriend Elves that aren't Thieves and he's willing tolerate Thieves that aren't Elves?. Do note that I'm not racist nor is anyone I know racist, rather my friend simply wants to use this type of racism in his campaign, luckily he was sensible to clear it with his players before asking me to ask on this site
Sure. Perhaps when young a group of elven thieves beat him within an inch of his life and took his stuff. That could fix his hatred of elven thieves specifically, while leaving non-thief elves and non-elven thieves okay to interact with.
 

JMISBEST

Explorer
I say this with all sincerity. What you say above comes across an awful lot like:

"White people, you should be okay with black people stealing and doing other immoral behavior. If you aren't okay with that then you are a bigot and a racist that doesn't want to think about black people and are just out to pounce on them the moment they step out of line no matter how many black friends you have."

I doubt you meant it that way.
I honesty didn't realize that that was what it sounded like I was saying. Sorry
 

JMISBEST

Explorer
Is it that hard for you to communicate with others that you would have to resort to creating a new language? You're a person like the rest of us are. You deserve what everyone else does.
It isn't that its that hard, its just that their was a period of 16 months were I was so bored that I amused myself by creating a unique version of The way you type The English Language and I've been using it so long that I find it impossible to break the habit, luckily when it comes to speaking and writing The English Language I'm fine
 


AnotherGuy

Adventurer
I cannot fathom why a player would want to play such a character. Pure animosity towards 1 race I get that - perhaps suffered some trauma, or was swindled or something all from a particular being or beings from one race. You can delve into some awkward or even tense role-playing scenarios with the possibility of the character changing their mind through the course of the campaign.

I can understand a character who only purchases (insert particular trade good) crafted by x, believing their crafting skills are superior with the ability to build a deep network of particular associates and earn loyalty benefits.

But I find, and apologies, the OP idea for the character - a little 'meh'
 
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Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I know that in real life Racism is never good, reasonable, or justified but my thinking is that just because Racism is never good, reasonable and justified in real life doesn't mean that Racism can't be Racism is never good, reasonable, or justified in DAD

The best, in my opinion, example of Racism being good, reasonable and justified in DAD is the racism between Drow and Elves that aren't Drow that has been a massive part in every DAD campaign that I've either GM'd, played in or heard about, but that could be down to the way me and every GM I know or used to know either GM or used to GM DAD
I feel like you are just looking for folks to tell you it’s OK to feature racism in your game. Seems to be more a request for affirmation than opinion.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
I say this with all sincerity. What you say above comes across an awful lot like:

"White people, you should be okay with black people stealing and doing other immoral behavior. If you aren't okay with that then you are a bigot and a racist that doesn't want to think about black people and are just out to pounce on them the moment they step out of line no matter how many black friends you have."
No, it doesn't. At all.
 

I think the better way to put it is him having a particular grudge against a specific elven gang due to past altercations/interactions. Maybe they just assume any elf stealing or engaging in criminal activity is a member of the Leafy Bois or something. The other way would be if elves are very much the dominant power, and other species stealing is just them trying to get by, but considers elves stealing to be "punching down", so to speak. Some halfling stealing bread is different from an elven fancy lad stealing the same loaf when they could easily afford it.
 

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