D&D and the rising pandemic

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

You actually CAN be charged with a crime if you knowingly violate public health ordinances dealing with a disease you have. Details and penalties vary from state to state, ranging from fines to imprisonment to institutionalization.

Yes, it seems like every day we're hearing about another person (barber, pastor) from Texas that's arrested for violating the lockdown, but that's the thing. It's not nationwide. The punishment varies. Federalism falls apart immediately when a pandemic starts, because there should not be different punishments for violating the lockdown in different states. Catching/Spreading coronavirus in different states is not different! It's not the kind of thing that different states should have different policies for, in the case of breaking the lockdown.

Also, the government knows we need more testing. We need a massive amount of testing. The national government wants us to risk our lives and our health to save the economy, without making sure we can do it safely. If everyone in the government gets testing, we should too.

 

[Umbran]

Federalism falls apart immediately when a pandemic starts, because there should not be different punishments for violating the lockdown in different states.

With respect, no. Different places are, in fact, different. You can be outside without a mask in Montana for hours and not see another living soul. Impossible to do in NYC in the middle of the day.

 

[MoonSong]

Also, the government knows we need more testing. We need a massive amount of testing. The national government wants us to risk our lives and our health to save the economy, without making sure we can do it safely. If everyone in the government gets testing, we should too.

At least you aren't in the country with the least testing per capita of the OECD. (.1 per thousand people)

 

[Umbran]

Yes, just because you think that you're immune to it (you're really not) doesn't mean that by going outside you're not killing people!

Um... that's not really accurate. "Going outside" is not that big a deal. Going inside, with people, is the danger.

To borrow from a blog post I came across today:

"The main sources for infection are home, workplace, public transport, social gatherings, and restaurants. This accounts for 90% of all transmission events. In contrast, infections while shopping appear to be responsible for 3-5% of infections.

Importantly, of the countries performing contact tracing properly, only a single outbreak has been reported from an outdoor environment (less than 0.3% of traced infections). "

I present this an an excerpt from a blog post, not an authoritative article. However, the point is pretty obvious: places where people breathe, speak, shout, sing - where they exhale a lot and linger for long times - that are indoors to keep droplets full of virus hanging around, are the dangerous places.

Outside, in and of itself, is one of the safest places to be - there is so much more air circulation, that droplets are not concentrated enough for you to get enough of them to get sick.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Um... that's not really accurate. "Going outside" is not that big a deal. Go8ng inside, with people, is the danger.

To borrow from a blog post I came across today:

"The main sources for infection are home, workplace, public transport, social gatherings, and restaurants. This accounts for 90% of all transmission events. In contrast, infections while shopping appear to be responsible for 3-5% of infections.

Importantly, of the countries performing contact tracing properly, only a single outbreak has been reported from an outdoor environment (less than 0.3% of traced infections). "

I present this an an excerpt from a blog post, not an authoritative article. However, the point is pretty obvious: places where people breathe, speak, shout, sing - where they exhale a lot and linger for long times - that are indoors to keep droplets full of virus hanging around are the dangerous places.

Outside, in and of itself, is one of the safest places to be - there is so much more air circulation, that droplets are not concentrate enough for you to get enough of them to get sick.

Most of the articles I’ve seen talking about it are zeroing in on interior spaces with worse than average ventilation.

Which, given what Covid-19 is, is not a big surprise.

If that sounds like a point for people who want to reopen beaches, parks and the like, it is. But there’s a HUGE caveat: you’d still need to maintain social distances to minimize risk from coughing and sneezing. And so far, people in those spaces are being very inconsistent about that. Given the inch, they take the mile. And so far, no city or state has the resources to actually enforce those rules while doing all their other duties.

IOW, while going out on a beach or a park is relatively safe and could do some people a real benefit to their physical AND mental health, too many have abused the privilege for that to be allowed on an honor system.

 

[Umbran]

If that sounds like a point for people who want to reopen beaches, parks and the like, it is. But there’s a HUGE caveat: you’d still need to maintain social distances to minimize risk from coughing and sneezing. And so far, people in those spaces are being very inconsistent about that. Given the inch, they take the mile.

Yeah. No crowd is safe at all, inside or out.

 

[Zardnaar]

We're allowed outside but supposed to stay in our own suburbs.

Not many wearing masks even weeks ago. Couldn't buy them.

People quite good at crossing the road to avoid you though.

Swedish experiment not doing so good.

 

[Hussar]

Ah for goodness sakes:

Pachinko: 9 parlors reopen in Tokyo, Osaka

A total of nine pachinko parlors in Osaka and Tokyo have reopened despite the ongoing state of emergency in effect due to the novel coronavirus pandemic, reports TBS News (May 7).

www.newsonjapan.com

Pachinko parlours here are reopening. For those who have never had the experience, imagine a space about the size of a basketball court, jammed as tightly as it can be with slot machines that pay out in little silver balls that you can then turn back in for prizes. But, apparently, it's not gambling. Because that would be illegal in this country.

Good grief.

 

[Olrox17]

Um... that's not really accurate. "Going outside" is not that big a deal. Go8ng inside, with people, is the danger.

To borrow from a blog post I came across today:

"The main sources for infection are home, workplace, public transport, social gatherings, and restaurants. This accounts for 90% of all transmission events. In contrast, infections while shopping appear to be responsible for 3-5% of infections.

Importantly, of the countries performing contact tracing properly, only a single outbreak has been reported from an outdoor environment (less than 0.3% of traced infections). "

I present this an an excerpt from a blog post, not an authoritative article. However, the point is pretty obvious: places where people breathe, speak, shout, sing - where they exhale a lot and linger for long times - that are indoors to keep droplets full of virus hanging around are the dangerous places.

Outside, in and of itself, is one of the safest places to be - there is so much more air circulation, that droplets are not concentrate enough for you to get enough of them to get sick.

Just had a thought. Elevators can be absolute killers. And who’s more likely to take the elevator instead of walking a few flight of stairs? Older people. The ones more at risk of dying from covid.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

I’ma wait another few weeks before I even THINK about trying to get a haircut.

4 states that are reopening — Florida, Georgia, Texas, and Colorado — are not conducting enough coronavirus tests to safely do so, Harvard researchers say

The US needs to ramp up testing by nearly 400% in the next week, at a bare minimum, to even think about slowly reopening.

www.yahoo.com