D&D and the rising pandemic

[Umbran]

Easy goes it - i never accused him of lying - accused the stat he was quoting of lying. Major difference

Right. And your history on this Earth leads you to believe that's actually going to protect you from offending someone?

A lie is the knowing presentation of inaccurate information with intent to deceive or mislead. The statistic, in and of itself, knows nothing, and has no intent. PEOPLE know things, and have intent. People lie. Numbers are merely not correct in their context.

For example, it may be that 20% of those who are admitted to the hospital with covid-19 need assistance breathing (within some population - like maybe in Italy so far, or something). Or maybe there's some other qualifier that's been dropped as the information passed from one person to another. It may be that the statistic was never a lie - it could have been fragmented by someone who didn't remember it in full, or who didn't understand what was said to them.

It is an error. It should be corrected. But as soon as you attach the word "lie" to it, it starts getting into moral judgement territory, which doesn't help people accept the point.

 

[slobster]

I went to the grocery today, and while there were crowds and some evidence of panic buying- bread, pasta & canned good were severely depleted, and the paper goods aisle was empty of everything except trash bags, cardboard boxes, and a Mexican- everyone was at least still being civil.

I've actually had much worse shopping experiences during the holidays.

...and I just remembered I forgot to by red beans.

Don't worry, I saw this really great tutorial online for how you can make your own red beans from simple ingredients to make it through the coronavirus pandemic! All you need are white beans and a red permanent marker...

 

[Sadras]

nvm

 

[Zardnaar]

Don't worry, I saw this really great tutorial online for how you can make your own red beans from simple ingredients to make it through the coronavirus pandemic! All you need are white beans and a red permanent marker...

You can also plant stuff in the ground and in a mere 6-12 weeks food!!!

 

[slobster]

You can also plant stuff in the ground and in a mere 6-12 weeks food!!!

I've already buried 3 dozen rolls of toilet paper in my backyard. When society collapses and supplies are scarce, I'll be trading my organic-grown TP to the supermutants and living like a prince!

 

[Zardnaar]

I've already buried 3 dozen rolls of toilet paper in my backyard. When society collapses and supplies are scarce, I'll be trading my organic-grown TP to the supermutants and living like a prince!

Meanwhile where I live....

OooohhTP.

That's only one shelf out of 3 in a very small supermarket. I expect panic buying this weekend.

If you're rich these days you can TP someone's house.

 

[FrogReaver]

Right. And your history on this Earth leads you to believe that's actually going to protect you from offending someone?

In the past I've not worried as much about being offensive as being right. I think you are right though - when there's a non offensive way to phrase something it should be taken. The problem for me is that I don't tend to spot the potential offense in the middle of a discussion.

A lie is the knowing presentation of inaccurate information with intent to deceive or mislead. The statistic, in and of itself, knows nothing, and has no intent. PEOPLE know things, and have intent. People lie. Numbers are merely not correct in their context.

More or less agreed.

I still think it's possible for a person mistakenly present a lying statistic as if it's the whole story and to do so with no intent to deceive or mislead on their part. I understand this belief is not common as I thought it was and so in hindsight I can definitely see where it could cause offense.

For example, it may be that 20% of those who are admitted to the hospital with covid-19 need assistance breathing (within some population - like maybe in Italy so far, or something). Or maybe there's some other qualifier that's been dropped as the information passed from one person to another. It may be that the statistic was never a lie - it could have been fragmented by someone who didn't remember it in full, or who didn't understand what was said to them.

More or less agreed.

It is an error. It should be corrected. But as soon as you attach the word "lie" to it, it starts getting into moral judgement territory, which doesn't help people accept the point.

Wasn't my intent and I apologize.

 

[The Green Hermit]

Same here, but we're in a small town. As soon as you go to even the next biggest town, it becomes an issue.

 

[Ralif Redhammer]

Gamed last night and everyone seemed very thankful to be able to take their mind off things...with Tomb of Annihilation

But as of today the venue is temporarily shuttering until the risk in being open is past. It's a good thing we had such a fun session, since it looks like we're on hiatus for a while.

I'm enjoying a very nice Gruner Veltliner as we speak, er, type.

 

[Zardnaar]

Gamed last night and everyone seemed very thankful to be able to take their mind off things...with Tomb of Annihilation

But as of today the venue is temporarily shuttering until the risk in being open is past. It's a good thing we had such a fun session, since it looks like we're on hiatus for a while.

I'm enjoying a very nice Gruner Veltliner as we speak, er, type.

Bit low on the essentials.