FireLance
Legend
Not that it means much in D&D - it's been turning monsters into PC races (and, in the case of the Basic D&D accessory Orcs of Thar, 3e-style monster classes, and the 4e vampire, PC classes) for years.
D&D Race You Hate the Most
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And this has what to do with what I said? I'm fully aware of the above but it still doesn't make the Warforged a good PC race in my opinion. Just because there are rules for it doesn't make it good.
FireLance
Legend
Just an observation that for every person who think that monster X doesn't make a good PC race, there's probably at least one other person who wants to play monster X as a PC, and is glad for the rules.
The quality of the rules is a separate issue, and is orthogonal to preference. You can have rules you like tied to flavor you don't like, and vice-versa.
frankthedm
First Post
gnome Can't stand D&D gnomes.
drow Elves don't need cocoa butter, burnt cork and superfluous SLAs to have an evil empire.
warforged Immune to too many things D&D characters should not be immune to.
goliath/1/2 giant Abusers of the medium to large weapon damage bump need to be shown the door.
winged folk/raptoran/etc Flight is something to be introduced under the GM's terms, not as a starting race.
drow Elves don't need cocoa butter, burnt cork and superfluous SLAs to have an evil empire.
warforged Immune to too many things D&D characters should not be immune to.
goliath/1/2 giant Abusers of the medium to large weapon damage bump need to be shown the door.
winged folk/raptoran/etc Flight is something to be introduced under the GM's terms, not as a starting race.
frankthedm
First Post
Didn't you get the memo?
Ever since Tolkien did his thing with some modified Norse myths, the Dwarves have been rolling off the assembly line as the same basic model. (Although many "Tolkienesque" Dwarves are more like the Theme Park Version.) Since The Film of the Book(s), they now even all talk the same...
Thaumaturge
Wandering. Not lost. (He/they)
I voted for duergar, but really, I wanted to vote for none. Everything has its place, and I really don't hate much.
I fail at Internetting.
Thaumaturge.
I fail at Internetting.
Thaumaturge.
Yora
Legend
Instead have medium-sized earth genasi. Basically same fluff, buth with less unneccesary rules.
This thread reads like a self-help group for narrow-minded DMs of a Middle Earth RPG. Everything is bad unless it was written by Tolkien and approved by Gygax. Yawn.
I never played a dwarf. I just know I won't be good at it because my personality isn't very "dwarven".
In 15+ years, I played one halfling. Was fun, but not enough to play another one.
I made a quite a few humans, mainly when the concept didn't call for anything exotic.
There was a half-elf and a few full elves, because it's a natural choice when you play an arcane spellcaster. I'm kind of unhappy with my last elf though, I think a different race would have been more interesting. Elves in D&D aren't that different from pointy-eared humans, compared to other fantasy sources.
That's really the key here: I want each of my characters to feel different from the ones before. But when you've been playing for a while, there are only so many "classic" archetypes left that you still want to try. That's why I'm happy about choice and variety. Trying out a new race is an easy way to make a character that's different from the ones you already played.
I never played a dwarf. I just know I won't be good at it because my personality isn't very "dwarven".
In 15+ years, I played one halfling. Was fun, but not enough to play another one.
I made a quite a few humans, mainly when the concept didn't call for anything exotic.
There was a half-elf and a few full elves, because it's a natural choice when you play an arcane spellcaster. I'm kind of unhappy with my last elf though, I think a different race would have been more interesting. Elves in D&D aren't that different from pointy-eared humans, compared to other fantasy sources.
That's really the key here: I want each of my characters to feel different from the ones before. But when you've been playing for a while, there are only so many "classic" archetypes left that you still want to try. That's why I'm happy about choice and variety. Trying out a new race is an easy way to make a character that's different from the ones you already played.
Mercurius
Legend
You're all a bunch of racists!
(I haven't read the thread - sorry if someone already made this joke)
I didn't vote because I can't say that I actually "hate" any D&D race, I just don't like many of them; or rather, I just don't want them in my game. This includes dragonborn, tieflings, shardminds, wildens, etc...It isn't even that I don't want them in my game, I just don't want them as central to my game.
I love Talislanta. To me it does "zoo fantasy" best - each race is interesting, unique, and not a variation on a Tolkien race. But D&D has never done zoo fantasy all that well, and I'm not entirely sure why. I think it may be that zoo fantasy doesn't jive well with classic D&D, or at least my idea of what classic D&D is. I just don't dig the idea of a shardmind sitting at the bar, sipping a tankard, or a dragonborn merchant selling exotic flowers (actually, that's vaguely interesting), or a tiefling-run nursery school.
I'm a big fan of the classic D&D races: humans, elves, dwarves, halfings, gnomes, and orcs. Yes, orcs - I like them as a race. I think there are very interesting variations that can be done with the classic races and that new, exotic races should only be sprinkled into a classic D&D game if they really offer something. I like 4E devas, for instance - a deva avenger is a pretty cool take on the Accursed Wanderer archetype.
(I haven't read the thread - sorry if someone already made this joke)
I didn't vote because I can't say that I actually "hate" any D&D race, I just don't like many of them; or rather, I just don't want them in my game. This includes dragonborn, tieflings, shardminds, wildens, etc...It isn't even that I don't want them in my game, I just don't want them as central to my game.
I love Talislanta. To me it does "zoo fantasy" best - each race is interesting, unique, and not a variation on a Tolkien race. But D&D has never done zoo fantasy all that well, and I'm not entirely sure why. I think it may be that zoo fantasy doesn't jive well with classic D&D, or at least my idea of what classic D&D is. I just don't dig the idea of a shardmind sitting at the bar, sipping a tankard, or a dragonborn merchant selling exotic flowers (actually, that's vaguely interesting), or a tiefling-run nursery school.
I'm a big fan of the classic D&D races: humans, elves, dwarves, halfings, gnomes, and orcs. Yes, orcs - I like them as a race. I think there are very interesting variations that can be done with the classic races and that new, exotic races should only be sprinkled into a classic D&D game if they really offer something. I like 4E devas, for instance - a deva avenger is a pretty cool take on the Accursed Wanderer archetype.
