D&D 5E Dark Sun, problematic content, and 5E…

Is problematic content acceptable if obviously, explicitly evil and meant to be fought?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 203 89.4%
  • No.

    Votes: 24 10.6%


Again, you're conflating two very different things. It is not an absence of empathy for a product in the world to exist, without malice, and for that product to make reference to a subject that someone might find offensive. I understand that I am not going to convince you of that, but yet, there it is.

If you have an issue with the product, don't buy it. If you do buy it and bring it to a table, and someone tells you that you that they have a problem with it, then don't play it. Or edit it so everyone is comfortable. It's also okay to tell them that the rest of the table wants to play the game the way it is and they are free to find another table that better suits their needs.
Well, why not edit it so you're happy by introducing slavery? Why does it need to be in the book?

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It was not a statement of fact. It was about WotC’s perception of their player base. And the question remains. Whose expression is being curtailed?
Whose expression is being curtailed? Everyone's. You can't, as an individual, enforce your specific set of opinions on the rest of the world. You can state your opinion, and if you feel strongly enough, attempt to convince others that your opinion is right. But that is where your freedom ends.

For example, the recent case of someone wanting to retcon/editorialise a published work that is problematic. It was then, it is problematic now. The solution, though, is not to erase it (or take steps that are tantamount to erasing it). The solution is to let your voice be heard. Do not try to redact or edit history.

Your other statement is a bit muddy though. Elaborate please.


Forty years? You guys? Personally tailored to me? As in, I advocate slavery? Lol. I'm talking about a freedom of speech issue. You know, basic democracy. What are you talking about?

That's not really acceptable as a response. Please elaborate.
Nobody's speech is being hindered in any way if WotC doesn't include slavery in a book. Not your speech, not theirs.

OK, this is a business and that type of troubles has to be avoided, but here we need coherence, because the people later or sooner notice all possible double standards, to use two different yardsticks to measure. And let's take with the "dictatorship" of "sensibilities", because when you give in under pressure, then they will demmand more and more, until reaching ridiculous levels.

Slavery is showed in DS, but because it is a serious injustice that must be eradicated by the heroes.

Conan the barbarian, the Witcher or Game of Thrones are not for children, but if Hasbro got the licences, WotC would publish the RPGs. Some time ago action-live movies for adults were adapted to cartoons for children, for example Robocop or Rambo.

If there was any risk of controversy, why with DS and not any of the titles published by others? For example World of Darkness. Or manga where some characters were slaves bought or freed by the main hero.

* Even if the lore or the background of the Tablelands is too problematic for the current standards, this doesn't mean an update of the crunch part wasn't possible.

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