Spoilers Deadpool & Wolverine (Spoilers)

[Staffan]

Still has some heart, but same as the first two is very much a parody of the genre.

I think the difference is that Deadpool and Deadpool 2 uses things within the world of the movie for us to care about (Vanessa and Rusty), Deadpool and Wolverine basically only exists on a meta level. Like, wouldn't it be cool to see Blade, Electra, and the Human Torch again? And to let Channing Tatum finally get to play Gambit? But these are not people Wade has any reason to care about, which makes the thing fall a bit flat.

In 1 and 2, the 4th wall-breaking is a sometimes thing, with Wade offering commentary on the movie ("Isn't it strange how every time I come here it's just you two? It's almost like we don't have the budget for more X-Men."), but still having things unfold within the movie's own logic. In DP&W, there's no 4th wall to break, because the whole movie is commentary on the various Fox movies.

 

[Morrus]

I think the difference is that Deadpool and Deadpool 2 uses things within the world of the movie for us to care about (Vanessa and Rusty), Deadpool and Wolverine basically only exists on a meta level. Like, wouldn't it be cool to see Blade, Electra, and the Human Torch again? And to let Channing Tatum finally get to play Gambit? But these are not people Wade has any reason to care about, which makes the thing fall a bit flat.

What's also interesting is the target audience... a 23 year friend of mind had no idea who any of that team was. And why would she?

 

[payn]

But yoy see, tye nostalgia here seemed geartfelt, because Reynolds is being nostalgia, not just cashing in on nostalgia cynically.

wut?

 

[Parmandur]

wut?

I edited that post for clarity, but the nostalgia is the point: it is a series of irreverent jokes rooted in genuine nostalgia for an era of more serious movies, a love letter to the Fox era of Xmen and related films.

It works because, first the jokes are funny, but second...the filmmakers actually are nostalgiac themselves, not just putting it on.

 

[TiQuinn]

Take away the one liners and nostalgic fan service, this film is like 2 minutes long.

I mean in all fairness, we wanted the one liners and nostalgic fan service and would’ve probably been very disappointed otherwise

 

[TiQuinn]

I don’t think anyone went to the movie caring one bit about the cameos or callbacks, and there’s probably more people than not who had no clue who Channing Tatum was supposed to be or why he was there. All of that was window dressing. The real reason people went was because of the bromance between Jackman and Reynolds that has been played up for years now. They played the long game on this one.

 

[Stalker0]

Story-wise this film attempts to have its cake and eat it, too. The first two Deadpool films manage to break the 4th wall while still having a coherent story (more or less...less in the case of the second film). This third entry tries to both be part of canon and completely farcical at the same time, with the result that it isn't really a coherent story so much as a series of wacky scenes, with some serious ones thrown in for...contrast, I guess? Someone compared it to Airplane, but I don't think it's that, exactly, because it's trying to be more than pure farce.

I agree, and to me this is the main counter to those who are like "you can't take the plot of D&W too seriously, its just a farcical romp!"

The first two Deadpool movies were crazy in their own right, but the plot still functioned. Ultimately it was designed in its own pocket to shield it away from continuations and other properties so it could just dance to its own crazy beat. Other than maybe the end credits scenes in Deadpool 2 where thing got a bit "too crazy", the movies still function as movies straight up.

D&W ramps up the farcical nature even more, but now ties it in to "real" elements of the MCU and other properties (like Logan), and now you have to worry about how that impacts other properties. Honestly it would be better if it was "all a dream" at the end....just a fun crazy what if journey that doesn't actually have any impact.

 

[Dire Bare]

I edited that post for clarity, but the nostalgia is the point: it is a series of irreverent jokes rooted in genuine nostalgia for an era of more serious movies, a love letter to the Fox era of Xmen and related films.

It works because, first the jokes are funny, but second...the filmmakers actually are nostalgiac themselves, not just putting it on.

Yup. Deadpool 3 is a love-letter to the Fox era of Marvel films.

Although there is a little bit of skin in the game for Wade himself . . . his girl left him and he feels like he has to matter somehow to get her back, plus all of his friends are in danger of being wiped out of existence. Since Wade's circle of friends only bookend the movie, we don't feel that as strongly as we could, but it's the core plot conceit that gets things rolling.

 

[Alzrius]

Although there is a little bit of skin in the game for Wade himself . . . his girl left him and he feels like he has to matter somehow to get her back, plus all of his friends are in danger of being wiped out of existence. Since Wade's circle of friends only bookend the movie, we don't feel that as strongly as we could, but it's the core plot conceit that gets things rolling.

Wolverine is somewhat similar in this regard, albeit in this case the metaphorical skin in the game is even thinner, since it's him trying to get over a failure that's only ever alluded to, rather than shown. He has a personal motivation that drives him over the course of the film, but it's almost a textbook case of being told, not shown.

 

[Dire Bare]

Wolverine is somewhat similar in this regard, albeit in this case the metaphorical skin in the game is even thinner, since it's him trying to get over a failure that's only ever alluded to, rather than shown. He has a personal motivation that drives him over the course of the film, but it's almost a textbook case of being told, not shown.

Yeah, but . . . he pretty clearly describes what happened. The anti-mutant forces that constantly plague the X-Men won in his universe, and he blames himself because he was drunk at the bar.

For long-time comics fans, or Fox X-Men movie fans . . . I was seeing this in my head as Logan described it. Should we have gotten a flashback scene showing dead X-Men littering Xavier's mansion? I'm okay that we didn't.