Spoilers Deadpool & Wolverine (Spoilers)

[Stalker0]

The difference is that in the 70s even the blockbusters had a lot of variety. Jaws and Star Wars are very different movies. The MCU thought it had found the magic formula for printing money and made the same movie over and over again.

well...I mean....it did find the formula. for a time the marvel juggernaut could not be stopped, it literally took over hollywood for an entire decade.

Its just that nothing lasts forever, and they stretched their model too thin without new innovation (and lets be honest some god aweful movies towards the end). And of course, there was likely always going to be some point when audience preference changed and superhero movies (no matter how good) weren't going to have the draws that they once did.

 

[Meech17]

well...I mean....it did find the formula. for a time the marvel juggernaut could not be stopped, it literally took over hollywood for an entire decade.

Its just that nothing lasts forever, and they stretched their model too thin without new innovation (and lets be honest some god aweful movies towards the end). And of course, there was likely always going to be some point when audience preference changed and superhero movies (no matter how good) weren't going to have the draws that they once did.

It was bound to happen eventually.. I'm really more surprised it lasted as long as it did. Before superhero flicks the trend was zombies.. There just doesn't seem to be anything jumping up to carry the banner now and let superhero movies die an honorable death.

 

[Stalker0]

It was bound to happen eventually.. I'm really more surprised it lasted as long as it did. Before superhero flicks the trend was zombies.. There just doesn't seem to be anything jumping up to carry the banner now and let superhero movies die an honorable death.

part of the issue isn't just the genre, its the budgeting.

Current hollywood has gotten addicted to big budgets just bailing them out of anything. Oh just add more, oh that's a problem, we can just add some CG in post, etc, oh lets just bring the actors back for some more reshoots. Movie budgets have been high for a long time, but now they are just bat crazy insane.

Further, Hollywood movies for a long time was the "only game in town". For a long time going to see a hollywood movie was just a given, its what people did. But there is a lot more competition now.

1. The internet and social media.
2. TV has gotten ridiculously better than it once was and people's viewing habits have changed.
3. Foreign movies. Indian and Korean movies were once a "joke" to americans, yet now we are seeing more of these hitting the mainstream even in American markets. Other countries are starting to learn how to great good movies on reasonable budgets, and now are actually competing against big budget hollywood movies.

So yeah hollywood might not be able to just throw money at anything and make a billion dollars anymore (even if they discover the new genre that hits the zeitgeist). The simple truth maybe, they are going to have to tighten their belts to compete with other avenues that are hungry for your attention and are constantly innovating to get it.

 

[Older Beholder]

The difference is that in the 70s even the blockbusters had a lot of variety. Jaws and Star Wars are very different movies. The MCU thought it had found the magic formula for printing money and made the same movie over and over again.

I tend to disagree that Marvel movies are all made to the same formula.
We still get Sci-Fi and Shark movies, although the second category hasn't busted any blocks for a while. Add to that two of the biggest films last year were Barbie and Oppenheimer and the lack of variety argument starts to feel pretty weak.

 

[Older Beholder]

It was bound to happen eventually.. I'm really more surprised it lasted as long as it did. Before superhero flicks the trend was zombies.. There just doesn't seem to be anything jumping up to carry the banner now and let superhero movies die an honorable death.

Deadpool and Wolverine is the highest grossing R rated film of all time, so I think they might not be dead just yet.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I tend to disagree that Marvel movies are all made to the same formula.
We still get Sci-Fi and Shark movies, although the second category hasn't busted any blocks for a while. Add to that two of the biggest films last year were Barbie and Oppenheimer and the lack of variety argument starts to feel pretty weak.

They all have:

Charismatic lead with an aptitude for comedy.
An underdeveloped villain tied to the hero in some way.
A blend of comedy and action.
Action sequences that are bloodless and fantastical.
A colourful palette
A huge action sequence at the end
Links to other films in the franchise

“In space” or whatever is just window dressing. It’s still the same movie.

The Batman is a good example of a recent superhero film that refuses to follow the MCU formula.

 

[TiQuinn]

A huge action sequence at the end

This is the one that has worn me out. Some of these action sequences have really felt shoehorned or obligatory.

 

[Mannahnin]

This is the one that has worn me out. Some of these action sequences have really felt shoehorned or obligatory.

Sidestepping to DC for a moment, this is the one big flaw in the original Wonder Woman movie, which was otherwise head and shoulders above most other DC offerings and some MCU. The villain is the god of WAR, and the writers let this resolve with yet another CGI punch fest? Talk about a golden opportunity for a clever solution a la the first Dr. Strange movie.

 

[TiQuinn]

Sidestepping to DC for a moment, this is the one big flaw in the original Wonder Woman movie, which was otherwise head and shoulders above most other DC offerings and some MCU. The villain is the god of WAR, and the writers let this resolve with yet another CGI punch fest? Talk about a golden opportunity for a clever solution a la the first Dr. Strange movie.

I felt that way about Shang Chi too. It just had “big CGI monster” energy all over the ending and I thought “why this ending?”

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I felt that way about Shang Chi too. It just had “big CGI monster” energy all over the ending and I thought “why this ending?”

Yeah, we knew they were going to fail to stop the monster escaping because we knew the movie was required to have a big monster fight. The formula spoiled the plot.