Deities & Demigods

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Derulbaskul!

...actually, hold on, I meant to ask something else.

You mentioned previously that Tiamat (and presumably Bahamut?) are virtually the same as their Manual of the Planes descriptions but for Divine Rank (10) - and commensurate abilities/changes. Does this mean that they still have effectively 20th-level spellcaster levels in Cleric and Sorceror as well as their 49 and 53 HD respectively?

eg. Tiamat is 49HD with 20th-level Cleric + 20th-level Sorceror powers!?

Domains: Evil; Law; Scalykind?

Did they change her hp to 1176?

Funnily enough her MotP stats work out at 144 + 21 + (DR)10 = total 175; whereas Bahamut works out at +33 beyond that.

Were his stats changed* in D&Dg I wonder?

*Str 53; Dex 10; Con 39; Int 35; Wis 36; Cha 35.

 

[Derulbaskul]

Now, when you say that there are no mechanics, does that mean that there are no salient abilities or portfolio/domain abilities that augment stats? Because I would assume that the standard 1 stat point per 4 character levels would still apply. So, that is a mechanic that could be used. They may not state it outright, but I don't think it's unreasonable to assume it would still be in effect.

Also, deities seem to have the ability to create magic items, including those that give stat bonuses. So, there are ways to boost stats for deities.

What you say is true... in a sense.

What you have stated are the standard ways that mortals gain stat increases, an option that also available to deities. My comments were along the lines that there are no templates, progressions whatever given for stat increase for deities of differing ranks. Personally, I don't care (just make 'em up! )but my comments were in reply to several questions on this subject.

Also, there are not salient abilities that increase ability scores. Kord and Hercules, for example, have indominitable strength as a divine salient ability and this allows them to add a bonus to some Str checks, but not to the ability score itself.

I mentioned earlier that there was a chance that I had missed the section on how ability scores were tied to divine rank. I didn;t miss it; there is no such question (and now I won't have to correct my earlier posts).

Anyway, the great thing about such nuts'n'bolts "omissions" is that Upper Krust may very well find a ready market for his work!

Cheers
NPP

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Florin mate!

Now, when you say that there are no mechanics, does that mean that there are no salient abilities or portfolio/domain abilities that augment stats? Because I would assume that the standard 1 stat point per 4 character levels would still apply. So, that is a mechanic that could be used. They may not state it outright, but I don't think it's unreasonable to assume it would still be in effect.

Also, deities seem to have the ability to create magic items, including those that give stat bonuses. So, there are ways to boost stats for deities.

I was amazed there was no Salient Divine Ability to increase stats myself! A +4 bonus per SDA seems reasonable.

I'll have to give a good read to how Domains affect deities.

eg.
Seemingly the strength Portfolio/Domain adds little beyond Portfolio Sense; Domain Powers (derived from Clerics Domain Powers) and Spell-like Abilities (again derived from Domains).

I would have thought the Strength Portfolio would have had an impact on the deities strength...apparently not!?

Likely something I may attend to.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hello again!

Anyway, the great thing about such nuts'n'bolts "omissions" is that Upper Krust may very well find a ready market for his work!

Appreciate the support mate!

 

[Derulbaskul]

Hi Derulbaskul!
You mentioned previously that Tiamat (and presumably Bahamut?) are virtually the same as their Manual of the Planes descriptions but for Divine Rank (10) - and commensurate abilities/changes. Does this mean that they still have effectively 20th-level spellcaster levels in Cleric and Sorceror as well as their 49 and 53 HD respectively?
(snip)
Domains: Evil; Law; Scalykind?
Did they change her hp to 1176?
Funnily enough her MotP stats work out at 144 + 21 + (DR)10 = total 175; whereas Bahamut works out at +33 beyond that.
Were his stats changed* in D&Dg I wonder?
*Str 53; Dex 10; Con 39; Int 35; Wis 36; Cha 35.

Howdy U_K,

Actually I meant to double check this for you but didn't. Here we go:

Tiamat
Lesser Deity
Divine Rank: 10
Domains: Destruction, Evil, Law, Trickery
Hit Dice: 49d12+588 (906 hp, but should be 1076)
AC: 69 (-8 size, +10 divine, +48 natural, +9 deflection)
Sor20/Clr20 (but no hit dice for these class levels)
Str 49, Dex 10, Con 35, Int 28, Wis 25, Cha 29

Bahamut
Lesser Deity
Divine Rank: 10
Domains: Air, Good, Luck, Protection
Hit Dice: 53d12+742 (1,378 hp, this is correct)
AC: 76 (-8 size, +10 divine, +52 natural, +12 deflection- superior deflection comes from higher Cha)
Sor20/Clr20 (but no hit dice for these class levels)
Str 53, Dex 10, Con 39, Int 35, Wis 36, Cha 35

Looks about right... once Tiamat's hp are corrected.

Cheers
NPP

 

[Derulbaskul]

(snip)
I was amazed there was no Salient Divine Ability to increase stats myself! A +4 bonus per SDA seems reasonable.
I'll have to give a good read to how Domains affect deities.
eg.
Seemingly the strength Portfolio/Domain adds little beyond Portfolio Sense; Domain Powers (derived from Clerics Domain Powers) and Spell-like Abilities (again derived from Domains).
I would have thought the Strength Portfolio would have had an impact on the deities strength...apparently not!?
Likely something I may attend to. [/B]

Upper Krust,

Start typing....

The deity gains the granted powers of its domains so one with the Strength domain would, for example, be able to perform the feat of strength a number of times per day equal to its divine rank. However, the level at which this feat of strength is performed is the higher of its DR or Clr level.

In other words, Hercules gains a +5 bonus five times per day because he has no Clr levels but has a DR of 5.

And that's it; no other documented effect on his Str score.

Cheers
NPP

 

[Upper_Krust]

Howdy U_K,

Hi mate!

Bahamut

Str 53, Dex 10, Con 39, Int 35, Wis 36, Cha 35

Based on that (I would presume) Bahamut looks to have easily the highest ability score average in the book!*

 

[Belgarath]

Wee Jas

I am looking for info on the dogma of Wee Jas if they have it in the D&Dg. Specifically, I want to know what her feelings on undead are.

 

[Moon_Goddess]

This bothers me more than anything this far. Never mind wanting PC divane ascension into game, or stuff like that, but how I am suppesed to make god according to rules, if there are no explanation on stats. Besides, let's say, I start to build such 'template' from human or ancient red wyrm (mmh, must be one module, that made me think this), I do get pretty different stat-setup at start.

So, supposed I'd love to use rules, I'd want to know if there are any differences because of racial stat-level that effects the said divane template, or is there some minimum or maximum standard for said stats.

Also, I'd not want to see any silly system, that makes my ancient red wyrms stats worse, than they were before divane template, because that'd just be too silly and make me loose all respect for said rules (unless there was some specific reason for such case).

I really don't care if WotC has some logical system behind their divane stats or not, if they don't explain it clearly in the book somewhere, part of it's value as book for 'make your own patheon with this' goes down the drain IMO.

Look at it this way, the Player's Handbook has rules for creating a character. But the Monsterous Manual doesn't have rules for creating a monster. DaD is a "Monster" Book, it gives you the stats for the "Monsters" and tells you how to use them. Creating new "Monsters" is not it's consern. Maybe we need a Dragon article entiled How to create a God that can be PDFed and bootlegged all over the net.

My biggest problem with the book that I'm seeing (And don't get me wrong I'm still excited about getting my hands on it) is that is seems they made the book with the intend of making the stats for Tiamat and Bauhmet that were already printed legal characters in the book.

We know the stats in MoTP were taken from the preview in Dragon, it has already been stated the stats in Dragon were made by the Dragon staff before they understood the 3e rules.

So the whole book is based around matching a flawed set of stats made by people who hadn't had time to fully understand the rules of the game. Great...

 

[Upper_Krust]

I wonder is Erik Mona still reading this...?

Hi Erik!

Can you tell us is Ao detailed in Faiths & Pantheons? By detailed I mean statted/outlined like the rest of the deities!?

Thanks.

No big deal if you can't - Derulbaskul will probably have the book in a week or so anyway - lol.