dising 3.5

[Shadow64]

You know what's even more impressive then a player who doesn't want to change rules when the rest of the group does?

A DM who doesn't want to change rules when the rest of the group does - but says he will allow the players to use the 3.5 rules while he uses the 3.0 rules.

Needless to say, the module he wants to run to "get back to D&D" (we have been playing D20 Modern and M&M) should be fun when a 3.0 module w/ a 3.0 DM is run against 3 3.5 PCs and 1 3.0 PC.

 

[Emiricol]

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at least someone is.

I know you are but what am ? Am not! Stop touching me!

Very persuasive

 

[Sir Osis of Liver]

You know what's even more impressive then a player who doesn't want to change rules when the rest of the group does?

A DM who doesn't want to change rules when the rest of the group does - but says he will allow the players to use the 3.5 rules while he uses the 3.0 rules.

Needless to say, the module he wants to run to "get back to D&D" (we have been playing D20 Modern and M&M) should be fun when a 3.0 module w/ a 3.0 DM is run against 3 3.5 PCs and 1 3.0 PC.

I just wish this wasn't a post about my gaming group.

 

[diaglo]

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Very persuasive

i've been taking lessons from hong.

 

[ColonelHardisson]

diaglo, the point isn't that he wasn't given a choice. The point is that he was given a choice and made an uninformed, knee-jerk decision without even the pretense of using first-hand information to make that decision. Had he simply said something like: "I don't want to switch to any new rules; I like the ones we use now, and I don't feel like learning or relearning rules," then I could see simply accepting that decision and moving on (and presumably not having him game with the rest of the group).

 

[Elder-Basilisk]

It seems that people are confusing a lack of "first-hand" information with a knee-jerk decision. I knew most of the information relevant to my opinion of the 3.5e DR rules before I had the opportunity to read the SRD. I knew most of the information relevant to my view of the changes to weapon specialization before I read the SRD. And, while I don't remember whether I read the SRD description of the feint action before or after I posted on the discussion about it, I could easily have learned all I needed to know without reading the SRD. What matters in this case is whether or not the information is accurate; not whether or not it's first hand.

Quite frankly, the thing that this thread communicates most clearly to me is that Drawmack behaved like a rather rude bully towards this player without bothering to hear his concerns or what he had to say. (Especially since the player appears to have been a part of the group who is being frozen out of a decision important to his enjoyment of the game because he missed a day and is now being browbeaten into accepting the majority decision.) I don't think "well he should have said 'I'm a lazy moron' and they could have kicked him out of the group" (a somewhat harsh paraphrase of your assessment but what it sounds like it would boil down to) is the appropriate reaction.

diaglo, the point isn't that he wasn't given a choice. The point is that he was given a choice and made an uninformed, knee-jerk decision without even the pretense of using first-hand information to make that decision. Had he simply said something like: "I don't want to switch to any new rules; I like the ones we use now, and I don't feel like learning or relearning rules," then I could see simply accepting that decision and moving on (and presumably not having him game with the rest of the group).

 

[Mark]

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Ignorance is bliss.

Aren't you a happy camper..?

 

[Hejdun]

It seems that people are confusing a lack of "first-hand" information with a knee-jerk decision. I knew most of the information relevant to my opinion of the 3.5e DR rules before I had the opportunity to read the SRD. I knew most of the information relevant to my view of the changes to weapon specialization before I read the SRD. And, while I don't remember whether I read the SRD description of the feint action before or after I posted on the discussion about it, I could easily have learned all I needed to know without reading the SRD. What matters in this case is whether or not the information is accurate; not whether or not it's first hand.

I agree, a lot of us had very accurate information about 3.5 before hardly any of us had even seen the books. I'm fairly knowledgable about the new rules, and I have barely read any of the SRD and just breezed through the books at my LGS.

A far less brash thing to do is to listen what his complaints are, and if they do not accurately reflect the rules, then correct him on it.

 

[Emiricol]

I thought he was rather clear that the guy's only foundation for his feelings was someone else's opinion.

Remember, just because we all have computers, Internet and are dialed into the digital discussions on all this stuff long before it comes out, doesn't mean his player player was (nor, indeed, are the majority of people).

What's really rude is using terms like "bully" to describe someone when you weren't there and don't know the details (any more than I do). Insisting the guy read the book before deciding is a far cry from sticking his head in the toilet and giving him a swirlie

 

[Shard O'Glase]

you know when we're calling the writer a bully I think we're justified, becuase its probably written in a way that makes him look best.

also using a friends opinion, review or info form a friend isn't that wierd. I know my friends opinion and reaons for a lot of things so yeah I can judge things absed on what he says. If you don't have any friends like that i pitty you.

but hey if the rest of you sheep want to follow along and say 3.5 is gods gratest gift to the world go right ahead. becuse quite frankly I have the books and i know about as much now as i knew before I got the books, sure I now know some small details like ray of enfeeblement has no save, but most the info that maters I learned before from my internet friends. So this guy for not likeing it based on what he learned from a friend is no more a sheep than the rest of you are for likeing it.