Demoquin said:Yes they do. It is the only non lethal weapon a rogue can use to apply their sneak attacks.
It imparts shock/impact while still being unlikely to break bone or skin. The yielding suface of the Sap still imparts all of it's energy, but at a more dispersed and constant rate rather than quickly in a concentrated area.Kmart Kommando said:what's the difference between whacking someone with a bag of quarters and whacking them with the hilt of a dagger?
but both are dealing nonlethal damage, and can be applied with the same precision. A rogue doesn't even need to be proficient with a weapon to use it in a sneak attack, so there's no difference between the -4 nonproficiency and the -4 doing nonlethal damage penalties. In a game of d20, -4 is -4. using a gauntlet or a basket hilt are pretty much the same, game mechanic-wise.mvincent said:It imparts shock/impact while still being unlikely to break bone or skin. The yielding suface of the Sap still imparts all of it's energy, but at a more dispersed and constant rate rather than quickly in a concentrated area.
Kinda like using a using a thawed chicken (rather than a frozen one) when testing airplane windshields
Kmart Kommando said:getting hit with a sock full of quarters would sure hurt less than a sock full of someone's foot.![]()
I believe I misread your previous statement. I thought you were saying that you didn't why a bag of quarters were non-lethal. If you merely could not understand why a rogue can't non-lethal sneak attack with lethal weapons (by taking -4), FAQ explains it as:Kmart Kommando said:but both are dealing nonlethal damage