Dr Strange 2: In the Multiverse of Madness (Spoilers)

She joined the MCU with vengeful/villainous tones and in WV was pretty vindictive.
Gives the character a lot more dimension ( not very funny pun intended!).

I did think it was quite dark and scary for its certificate
 

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Jahydin

Explorer
There are some really strong Evil Dead vibes in this movie. A lot of Raimi's wacky surreal camera work, but also Bruce beating himself up, and the Darkhold is pretty much Marvel's necronomicon.
I know it was just a joke, but the whole "three weeks" part seemed kind of cruel...
 

Staffan

Legend
Overall, I think I enjoyed the movie for what it was, but it wasn't really what I was expecting. For one thing, I was expecting it to draw on the events of Loki but it doesn't. Granted, hardly anyone anywhere in the multiverse other than two specific Lokis (well, a Loki and a Sylvie) actually know what is going on, but I just thought the splitting of the "sacred timeline" was meant to be what caused the opening of the multiverse, but this movie made it seem like the multiverse had always been there, full of variants.

The way I see it, the multiverse has always existed. Now. It hadn't always existed a year ago, but now it always has.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Google it. I'm hardly the only one to notice the sexist overtones. People are saying it's a classic example of "female too powerful for her own good". People are also complaining that they Disneyfied America by making her a wide-eyed, helpless kid who doesn't know how to use her powers until the male hero gives her a pep talk.

So, if they made America in full control of her power, folks would complain that she's Mary Sue. So, they lose either way. There's a reasonable trope that young super-powered people have to learn how to deal with powers and/or life. Mutilpe Spider Men have needed to go through it, for example, so the argument that it is sexist is a little weak.

And, that scene is explicitly and specifically less about a male hero giving a pep talk, as it is about a male hero who has demonstrated control issues, learning to trust a young woman to do what needs doing, rather than take control himself. And that's in a movie that is nominally about him, rather than her.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
The way I see it, the multiverse has always existed. Now. It hadn't always existed a year ago, but now it always has.

Exactly - in Loki, we saw the multiverse branching at all points within the timeline "at once" so to speak. For those inside, the multiverse has always existed. Only for those couple of people outside the timeline entirely is there a point when the multiverse didn't' exist.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
She joined the MCU with vengeful/villainous tones

Yeah, she was originally a terrorist, willing to set the Hulk loose on a city full of people.

What this movie does show us is that most of the issues in the MCU could be prevented or solved with suitable application of mental health professionals. We don't need the Sorcerer Supreme so much as we need all these people to get good therapists.
 

Bolares

Hero
but I just thought the splitting of the "sacred timeline" was meant to be what caused the opening of the multiverse, but this movie made it seem like the multiverse had always been there, full of variants.
From the moment they split the sacred timeline the multicerse was “always there”. The ripples from that split affect the past too
 

Staffan

Legend
Yeah, she was originally a terrorist, willing to set the Hulk loose on a city full of people.
That's a pretty big difference between Comics Wanda and MCU Wanda. Comics Wanda was basically press-ganged into working with Magneto and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. But when MCU Wanda was given the opportunity to work with Hydra to go after Stark, she jumped in with both feet and didn't look back.
What this movie does show us is that most of the issues in the MCU could be prevented or solved with suitable application of mental health professionals. We don't need the Sorcerer Supreme so much as we need all these people to get good therapists.
I'd love to see a Doc Samson show on Disney+.
 

Stalker0

Legend
I know it was just a joke, but the whole "three weeks" part seemed kind of cruel...
I ignored that because it was so used to set up such a blatant joke at the end, that I knew it was meant to be 132% comedic. I do agree that if you look at it objectively it is WAY too much of an overreaction to getting accused of not paying for your food, which to be fair.....she didn't!



People's notes about Wanda being a terrorist, thank you for reminding me! So MCU Wanda actually has a clear pattern, her grief makes her vengeful, time and time again.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
People's notes about Wanda being a terrorist, thank you for reminding me! So MCU Wanda actually has a clear pattern, her grief makes her vengeful, time and time again.

So, I'd push back a little bit on that. In neither Wandavision nor Multiverse of Madness, is she "vengeful". She isn't out to do harm to people who have done her wrong. She is out to get what she thinks will relieve her grief. She no longer cares about the welfare of others in pursuit of that end.
 

Stalker0

Legend
So, I'd push back a little bit on that. In neither Wandavision nor Multiverse of Madness, is she "vengeful". She isn't out to do harm to people who have done her wrong. She is out to get what she thinks will relieve her grief. She no longer cares about the welfare of others in pursuit of that end.
that's fair. Its less she actively seeks to hurt people and more "she has no care of the consequences as long as she gets what she wants"
 



Jahydin

Explorer
I ignored that because it was so used to set up such a blatant joke at the end, that I knew it was meant to be 132% comedic. I do agree that if you look at it objectively it is WAY too much of an overreaction to getting accused of not paying for your food, which to be fair.....she didn't!
Yeah, in my headcanon, he was just joking around with her, haha.
 

Wanda was going bad before the dark hold, she is a VILLAIN in wandavision, she tortures an innocent town, shows no remorse for it,

Point of order; she absolutely does at the last episode. She even acknowledges there's no reason for them ever to forgive her.

But she's still driven to jump into the Darkhold to understand what she is, and her phantom family still has too much a grip on her. The result of those two things and her established tendency toward dysfunctional handling of grief leads her right down the road to hell.
 

I saw Wanda in her show as having a great character arc of overcoming her dark side and realizing that losing someone you love doesn't mean you lose yourself, because grief is love enduring.

This movie doesn't respect that, and doesn't do the work to justify why she'd turn her back on that. "Oops the book made her do it" feels crappy.

The Darkhold feeding someone's worst angels is absolutely what its always been about, though. I don't know any incarnation of it where extended contact with it didn't wreck someone.
 


The Darkhold feeding someone's worst angels is absolutely what its always been about, though. I don't know any incarnation of it where extended contact with it didn't wreck someone.

Sure, if this were a documentary, I'd totally be okay with them recounting how Wanda got corrupted. But it's a choice of a fiction writer who could decide what to do, and who chose to look at a character who'd gone through the events of Wandavision, and to undo that character growth due to the influence of an inanimate object.

Like, you could make a sequel to The Shawshank Redemption where Andy Dufresne does meth before the movie starts and then becomes a drug addicted criminal, and yeah, I guess that's possible. But it's hardly a satisfying follow-up to the previous story.
 

Jahydin

Explorer
Sure, if this were a documentary, I'd totally be okay with them recounting how Wanda got corrupted. But it's a choice of a fiction writer who could decide what to do, and who chose to look at a character who'd gone through the events of Wandavision, and to undo that character growth due to the influence of an inanimate object.
Maybe just a way to get rid of her so they didn't have to constantly decide how to incorporate such a powerful character into future stories?
 

Bolares

Hero
People are ignoring the real ending to wandavision. She ends that show using a illusion to hide the fact that she doce completely in to the darkhold, and is hearing the cries for help of her children. Sure, she regrets enslaving westview, but right after that goes after the power of a demonic relic. What she is in this movie was directly set up in wandavision
 

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